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3 minutes ago, nicci78 said:

SL2 is not a clone of S1R. 

They are different camera.

However they share :

  • same sensor, albeit a thinner sensor stack filter for the Leica.
  • same 3.2" screen (but fixed for the Leica)
  • same same OLED EVF 5 millions dots.
  • same IBIS

The rest is different :

  • Maestro III SOC for Leica vs Venus engine for the lumix
  • Completely different body
  • Different battery
  • DNG for Leica vs RWL for Panasonic

I never said they were the same camera.

The S1 and SL share DNA as do the S1R and SL2. Leica isn’t developing these cameras completely independently.

It doesn’t seem unreasonable that they would continue to have products that continue to share commonality with Panasonic’s L-Mount cameras.

If Leica has a new camera coming, it isn’t much of a stretch to think that it may not be unlike Panasonic’s new camera.

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21 minutes ago, Brian Puccio said:

I never said they were the same camera.

The S1 and SL share DNA as do the S1R and SL2. Leica isn’t developing these cameras completely independently.

It doesn’t seem unreasonable that they would continue to have products that continue to share commonality with Panasonic’s L-Mount cameras.

If Leica has a new camera coming, it isn’t much of a stretch to think that it may not be unlike Panasonic’s new camera.

SL was light years before the S1, the SL was unique with nothing S1 in it 

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3 hours ago, Brian Puccio said:

The S1 and SL share DNA as do the S1R and SL2. Leica isn’t developing these cameras completely independently.

Absolutely not. Just by looking at them, they have nothing in common.

Leica is a big boy. They developed cameras by themselves way before Panasonic did. In fact, Leica is more than 100 years old and they invent the 24x36 format, the cold shoe (know as accessory mount or flash mount) and the first AF system. 

It is really the other way around, Panasonic needed Leica kind of seal of approval, by sticking the german name upon almost every lenses they sold. Even if Leica's input is close to zero.  

And remember that it is Panasonic and Sigma who joined the L-mount created and used by Leica since 2014. 

Last but not least : Leica is not a Panasonic subsidiary. Far from it. They only have a marketing agreement and a technology exchange platform. 

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8 hours ago, nicci78 said:

It has to be in german. Leica always use German for its naming scheme. It is M = Messersucher (Rangefinder)

Monochrom (Monochrome)

S may stand for Schnell (Quick, Fast)

It is certainly not small. Because small in German is klein

M10-R ... resolution.   German?

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vor 12 Stunden schrieb nicci78:

What we know so far ? 

Leica and Panasonic are partenering for years to bring full frame mirrorless to market.

...

  • So it is quite logical for Leica to use the 24MP sensor of S1-S1H-S5 for its SL2-S

 

S1, S1H, S5 use a Sony sensor and those usually come with thick cover glass. The SL2-S wont play well with M lenses then. That’s the reason Leica didn’t use that 36 MPx Sony sensor in the SL2 you were hinting at once. 😂

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vor 13 Stunden schrieb nicci78:

It has to be in german. Leica always use German for its naming scheme. It is M = Messersucher (Rangefinder)

Monochrom (Monochrome)

S may stand for Schnell (Quick, Fast)

It is certainly not small. Because small in German is klein

Not always: M10-R(esolution).

Edit - Just saw Jeff had come up with it. 

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On 10/21/2020 at 10:04 PM, nicci78 said:

It has to be in german. Leica always use German for its naming scheme. It is M = Messersucher (Rangefinder)

<snip>

Messersucher -> Knifefinder

Messsucher -> Rangefinder 

:)

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49 minutes ago, Chaemono said:

S1, S1H, S5 use a Sony sensor and those usually come with thick cover glass. The SL2-S wont play well with M lenses then. That’s the reason Leica didn’t use that 36 MPx Sony sensor in the SL2 you were hinting at once. 😂

Cover glass has nothing to do with the sensor manufacturers. 

Nikon uses Sony sensor, with its own stack filter.

Same for Leica CL, using Sony sensor with its own thin stack filter. 

Etc... Stack filter is an optical lens put in front of the sensor. It is not made by Sony. `

 

By the way, I am not sure if 24MP sensor of S1, S1H or S5 are from Sony. Because they have excellent performance, without being BSI sensor. 

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vor 53 Minuten schrieb nicci78:

Cover glass has nothing to do with the sensor manufacturers. 

Nikon uses Sony sensor, with its own stack filter.

Same for Leica CL, using Sony sensor with its own thin stack filter. 

Etc... Stack filter is an optical lens put in front of the sensor. It is not made by Sony. `

 

By the way, I am not sure if 24MP sensor of S1, S1H or S5 are from Sony. Because they have excellent performance, without being BSI sensor. 

IMX410CQK-C sounds pretty BSI to me.

http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?363348-Panasonic-S1-S1R-Official-Announcement-(Jan-31-Feb-1)&p=1986791388

https://www.eoshd.com/comments/topic/28270-sony-a7r-iv-a7s-iii-a9-ii-to-feature-8k-video-as-new-60mp-and-36mp-full-frame-sensor-specs-leak/page/16/#comments

But you're right, Z6 uses the same sensor but with a thin cover glass. 

Edit - And here in Korean:

http://egloos.zum.com/eggry/v/4171295

S1H는 화소수와 6K의 프레임 제한, 4K60의 크롭 제한 등으로 볼 때 S1과 동일한 센서로 보입니다. 그리고 S1 센서는 a7 III와 동일한 IMX410CQK로 여겨지고 이 센서의 4K60 출력 한계는 슈퍼35 크롭의 12비트입니다. 참고로 동일 센서의 전체화소 출력 한계는 14비트 19프레임(영상용으론 못 쓰죠)이나 12비트 40프레임입니다.

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1 hour ago, nicci78 said:

By the way, I am not sure if 24MP sensor of S1, S1H or S5 are from Sony. Because they have excellent performance, without being BSI sensor. 

I thought that the S5 used the same sensor as the Sigma fp, which is BSI (and presumably sourced from Sony).

I am surprised that no one has speculated that the SL2-S uses the M10-R sensor.

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vor 3 Stunden schrieb BernardC:

I thought that the S5 used the same sensor as the Sigma fp, which is BSI (and presumably sourced from Sony).

All 24 MPx FF mirrorless cameras out there, except from Canon, of course, seem to use some variation of the MX410CQK. But performance is not always the same. Z6 comes with OLPF, S5, S1H with dual native ISO.

vor 3 Stunden schrieb BernardC:

I am surprised that no one has speculated that the SL2-S uses the M10-R sensor.

Someone has and lost the bet to Jono. 😂 See the acknowledgments of Jono’s SL2 review. 

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