jimleicam3 Posted August 17, 2020 Share #1 Posted August 17, 2020 Advertisement (gone after registration) I have been using my Q2 almost all the time. Barely touching my M10. As I age I am really liking auto focus. So I am thinking of trading my M10 towards a n SL2. I have 5 M lenes and I would love to use them again. Thanks, Cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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lpeeples Posted August 17, 2020 Share #2 Posted August 17, 2020 I have a Q2 and SL2. Love both but really miss my M10 that I sold. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Barnack Posted August 17, 2020 Share #3 Posted August 17, 2020 Maybe consider trading your M10 for an M10 Monochrom? It's not autofocus, but it will get you to using your M lenses again! I have been shooting with a Q2 since last November and was fortunate to acquire an M10M about five weeks ago. It is a very inspiring and enjoyable camera to use. The M10 Monochrom causes you to see in a totally different way compared to any other color digital camera. The Q2 is great fun to shoot with, but the M10M may well be the holy grail of M cameras. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted August 17, 2020 Share #4 Posted August 17, 2020 Do whatever suits your situation; we each have different goals and needs. I happen to have both an M10 and an SL2, and use and enjoy both as totally different experiences, for different situations. The M lenses stay on the M, and the SL lenses are superb on the SL2. But that shouldn’t influence your decision. Photography rarely works best by survey. Jeff 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anakronox Posted August 17, 2020 Share #5 Posted August 17, 2020 (edited) I just recently acquired a SL (and CL). Using the Leica M to L adapter, I love shooting some of my M lenses on it, particularly ones that are difficult to focus with. The 75 Ultron f/1.5 with its super short focus throw is tough to nail critical focus with on either of my Ms, but the SL handles it well. Same with the APO Summicron 90. Focus peaking and magnification really help and I can see me subbing in the SL for some portraiture and faster-paced shoots with models. At this time I don’t own any full-frame L-mount lenses and may never, however “never” in Leica terms means “probably not *this* month!” 😄 The SL system is a great option, but it can’t replace the rangefinder, at least for me. Unless you absolutely need to sell your M10 to fund a SL2, hang on to it. It’s a fantastic camera and all you may need is a magnifier or diopter to get back into it. Edited August 17, 2020 by Anakronox 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted August 20, 2020 Share #6 Posted August 20, 2020 I had roughly a year without a digital M body and used an SL. While a nice camera, and my M lenses balanced well on it, having to open the lens up to get critical focus then stop down again to shoot was a pain in the neck. Sure you can still use focus peaking if the lens is stopped down, but it's no better than using hyperfocal distance as a guide to where the focus point actually is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted August 20, 2020 Share #7 Posted August 20, 2020 Advertisement (gone after registration) Since getting the CL (at launch) I used the M(240) much less. The CL was smaller and lighter for travel, social and family, and I had the SL as a more practical full-frame, full capability system for when weight didn't matter so much but IQ did (events, portraits etc). I could see the Q2 as a less flexible alternative to the CL in this set-up. In the end I sold the M, intending to keep the M lenses for use with L-mount bodies. They are going as well now, though: replaced by native primes for the SL (75, 90) and CL (35, 60); those bodies are designed for AF and, IMO, work best with AF. As a photographer, not a collector, I prefer the native lenses, prime and zoom, to adapted M lenses. Just a story for the OP. YMMV. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
snooper Posted August 20, 2020 Share #8 Posted August 20, 2020 (edited) The SL system is very nice, it's a real pleasure to use and the SL glass are wonderful, at least the lenses I bought but I imagine all of them are equally nice. But the SL system does have a big downside: the weight. Should I carry the SL2, the 90-280, the 16-35 and the 35 and the 75... the bag is about 8Kg (18lbs) ! So you need a really good reason to carry this on your shoulder. To me the SL2 is not an "everyday camera" meaning if you get it out of the shelf, it's to shoot, while I can have my Q2 or my M each and every day. So to make it short, the systems are so different in size, weight, characteristics, results, etc that I would not imagine you could replace one by the other. They are just different, thus serving different purposes. Attachment: the SL2 system is an 18 lbs marvel... until you have to carry it. Side by side with a M10M, 3 lenses and a Visioflex EVF... Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited August 20, 2020 by snooper 12 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/312396-selling-my-m10-for-the-sl2/?do=findComment&comment=4030092'>More sharing options...
helged Posted August 22, 2020 Share #9 Posted August 22, 2020 On 8/20/2020 at 11:22 AM, snooper said: The SL system is very nice, it's a real pleasure to use and the SL glass are wonderful, at least the lenses I bought but I imagine all of them are equally nice. But the SL system does have a big downside: the weight. Should I carry the SL2, the 90-280, the 16-35 and the 35 and the 75... the bag is about 8Kg (18lbs) ! So you need a really good reason to carry this on your shoulder. To me the SL2 is not an "everyday camera" meaning if you get it out of the shelf, it's to shoot, while I can have my Q2 or my M each and every day. So to make it short, the systems are so different in size, weight, characteristics, results, etc that I would not imagine you could replace one by the other. They are just different, thus serving different purposes. Attachment: the SL2 system is an 18 lbs marvel... until you have to carry it. Side by side with a M10M, 3 lenses and a Visioflex EVF... Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Agree; but the SL2+SL24-90 will likely cover the focal lengths you have in your M-bag? The SL24-90 don't give you f1.4, and the SL-system is another type of instrument compared to the M, but the SL2+24-90 is a combo that I can bring with me (almost) everywhere, with a combined weight and size (*) not that different from an M-body with 3 prime. For me, it's more a question of one vs several lenses, wheather-sealing or not, fully manual or not. (*) I keep the enormous SL-lens shade(s) at home... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
snooper Posted August 25, 2020 Share #10 Posted August 25, 2020 On 8/22/2020 at 6:02 PM, helged said: Agree; but the SL2+SL24-90 will likely cover the focal lengths you have in your M-bag? To be honest, you really can't compare a M10 with a lens like the one fitted on the camera on the picture above (APO Summicron 50) with a SL2 mounted with a 24-90 and used @ 50mm. I don't imagine there would be much discussion about this. But you may want to compare any M10 / 28mm with a Q2... And I'm not sure about the answer on this one (IQ, practicability, weight, ergonomics, manual focusing, noise, stealth factor, price, etc.). But the SL2 ? Very very nice but not playing the same game in the same league IMHO. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
helged Posted August 25, 2020 Share #11 Posted August 25, 2020 4 hours ago, snooper said: To be honest, you really can't compare a M10 with a lens like the one fitted on the camera on the picture above (APO Summicron 50) with a SL2 mounted with a 24-90 and used @ 50mm. I don't imagine there would be much discussion about this. But you may want to compare any M10 / 28mm with a Q2... And I'm not sure about the answer on this one (IQ, practicability, weight, ergonomics, manual focusing, noise, stealth factor, price, etc.). But the SL2 ? Very very nice but not playing the same game in the same league IMHO. My comment was on the size+weight of SL+24-90 vs M w/3 lenses. Not that different. Surely, the M vs SL vs S systems are very diffent (being user of all three). Time to shoot... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
T25UFO Posted August 25, 2020 Share #12 Posted August 25, 2020 Hmm . . . size and weight not that different to carry around, but very different when just picking up the camera and actually taking a photo. I am increasingly using one camera, one lens, or to be more accurate, two cameras and two lenses. The SL2 and 75mm Summicron paired with a Q2. One in the bag, one around the neck. When I leave the SL2 at home the combo is the M10M with 50mm APO and the Q2. The common factor always seems to be the Q2. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis Posted August 25, 2020 Share #13 Posted August 25, 2020 On 8/16/2020 at 8:09 PM, Herr Barnack said: Maybe consider trading your M10 for an M10 Monochrom? +1 On 8/16/2020 at 8:09 PM, Herr Barnack said: The M10 Monochrom causes you to see in a totally different way compared to any other color digital camera. The Q2 is great fun to shoot with, but the M10M may well be the holy grail of M cameras. Interesting POV. I've been shooting in Raw Monochrome on my Nikon D5 for years now. I prefer it, I can focus more on composition and moment. And I better see/understand the exposure.This year, strangely, I came back to shoot in color, no particular reason why. Just testing 🙂 But I can only imagine what it feels like to shoot in Raw Monochrome with a Monochrome camera. oh yeah! And with those High-iso great IQ .... It's a winner! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Barnack Posted August 25, 2020 Share #14 Posted August 25, 2020 (edited) On 8/20/2020 at 5:22 AM, snooper said: the SL2 system is an 18 lbs marvel... until you have to carry it. Side by side with a M10M, 3 lenses and a Visioflex EVF... Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! That's the thing about the M system: Small, light cameras and lenses with staggering image quality and high megapixel, high ISO sensors. Pretty much impossible to to beat for most photographic applications. The SL system is a powerhouse, but the lenses are huge and heavy compared to (most) M lenses. The M system also makes air travel a little less hellish, whenever there's not a global virus on a rampage. Edited August 25, 2020 by Herr Barnack 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sortvitt Posted August 26, 2020 Share #15 Posted August 26, 2020 One thing that bothered me with the SL system was the need for heavy correction of the DNG files when using the 24-90 (not sure if it applies to other SL lenses as well). The end result is of course great, I just couldn't get comfortable with these being so strongly digitally corrected. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted August 26, 2020 Share #16 Posted August 26, 2020 You are approaching this from the wrong side. This has nothing to do with skimping on the optics and recovering in digital, it is the exact opposite. The availability of digital corrections gives a designer an extra degree of freedom. He is able to correct most aberrations to a higher level optically because he is able to leave some (like distortion) to the digital part of the design. The end result is a lens that is better corrected than one with purely optical corrections could have been. The proof is the extraordinary high optical quality of the SL lenses, the Q and the TL/CL line. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tailwagger Posted August 26, 2020 Share #17 Posted August 26, 2020 2 hours ago, jaapv said: The availability of digital corrections gives a designer an extra degree of freedom. He is able to correct most aberrations to a higher level optically because he is able to leave some (like distortion) to the digital part of the design. The potential downside of this approach, as with anything that involves proprietary software, is the usefulness and longevity of these optics isn't merely tied to the physical mount but the availability of the expected mappings to apply as well. Not a large concern today, but perhaps more of an issue when someday Karbe L-glass becomes a future generation's Mandler's. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted August 26, 2020 Share #18 Posted August 26, 2020 That will be well past my time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tailwagger Posted August 26, 2020 Share #19 Posted August 26, 2020 1 hour ago, jaapv said: That will be well past my time. Yeah... I don't really give a crap either, but there has to be at least one somebody here under the age of way too friggin old. 😀 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
martinot Posted August 28, 2020 Share #20 Posted August 28, 2020 On 8/17/2020 at 3:27 AM, jimleicam3 said: I have been using my Q2 almost all the time. Barely touching my M10. As I age I am really liking auto focus. So I am thinking of trading my M10 towards a n SL2. I have 5 M lenes and I would love to use them again. Thanks, Cheers I think using a range finder and a mirror less camera have very different use cases, and do not replace each other. I have a pair of Nikon DSLR, and maybe 10 different mirror less camera bodies. But even if I have a lot of great DSLR and mirror less cameras, and a lot of lenses for them (over 30), I still enjoy the zen like experience of slow photography the old manual way with my Leica M and couple of fixed length lenses. That said, even if I can use my M lenses on my mirror less cameras with an adaptor, I do not think it is the optimal way. For my DSLR respectively mirror less cameras, I prefer using them mostly with native AF-lenses optimized for their respective systems. My manual M lenses works absolutely best on M cameras, and enjoy much more to focus them in range finder OVF, compared to mirror less EVF with focus peaking. My personal take and advice (to consider if you want); sure, buy a great modern AF mirror less system (regardless if L-mount, Fuji X-mount, etc.), but keep at least one Leica M camera, and on both systems; use original native lenses for best experience. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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