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[rramesh]

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I finally decided to sell my M9-P after a long relationship. Now I am in the market for a new body for my mostly Leica and Voigtlander lenses.

I am debating these 3 options. Any thoughts opinions will help in making my choice.

1. M10 with visoflex. Marginal cost top-up if purchased used.
2. M10-P with visoflex. Bigger top-up.
3. Nikon Z7. No top-up needed.

My needs are an EVF for more accurate framing with ultra wide lenses, a tilting viewfinder/screen to be able to take ground level shots. The Nikon Z7 is on my list because I have heard positive comments about use of M lenses with adapters and plus it's a Swiss Army Knife of sorts.
  

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[Ko.Fe.]

I totally understand how great EVF and IBIS are.  I like my Canon RP for EVF and RF lenses focusing. It is good with 35 and 50 lenses. But not as good as Nikon or Sony.

One thing which sucks with EVF is low light photos and slow lens. One thing you better to evaluate with Z full frame series is their weight and size.

[Leicaiste]

In your situation I would go for a second hand SL. 
 
Similar sensor as the M10, excellent with M lenses and beautiful EVF. 

[Mr.Q]

Which Leica and Voigtlander lenses do you have?

[rramesh]

44 minutes ago, Mr.Q said:

Which Leica and Voigtlander lenses do you have?

Most used are 21 SEM, 28 Cron, 50 Lux, 90 Elmarit-M, CV 15 III, CV 35 1.2. 

[Mr.Q]

While M lenses perform better with the Z7 than other MILC's (due to a thinner filter stack), the edges still smear especially with wider lenses.

Even with a 50 lux asph the images won't be as sharp as images taken with a M camera.

So the M10 will yield much better results with your lenses, save for maybe the 90 Elmarit.

[strohscw]

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vor 4 Stunden schrieb rramesh:

Most used are 21 SEM, 28 Cron, 50 Lux, 90 Elmarit-M, CV 15 III, CV 35 1.2. 

With this set of lenses the one and only solution that makes sense to me would be a M10 with OVF, which You can get quite "cheap" (might be not the right word for a Leica) due to the fact that just the M10-R was released. 

[onasj]

If your main use of the EVF is for framing ultra-wide shots, why not just use the excellent live-view in the M10-generation cameras instead?  The current 020 Visoflex EVF is ok, not great—less impressive than the last generation of EVFs (e.g., the SL) or the current generation of EVFs (e.g., the a7sIII or the SL2).  It also partially defeats one of the main attractions of the M10—the compact, nimble, quick-to-use, and highly portable nature of the system.

For the M10-P, the touchscreen speeds image/focus checking and the quiet shutter is very nice if either of those features are important to you.  Of course the image quality of the M10 vs the M10-P will be identical.

[chasdfg]

Because the M10 and M10-P price difference hasn't settled to what we see with the M9 and M9-P and M240 and M240-P (i.e. approx $1k difference), I wouldn't get an M10-P yet unless you must have the quieter shutter, and maybe touch screen and level gauge. I'd go for an M10 first and pocket the difference (you're in Singapore, as I am, and the difference in used prices is between $1.5k to $2k from my experience). That money can go to a used Z7 or SL as a second body. I've my views on which would be my preferred "EVF M"...though you could skip the 2nd body altogether.

[tgray]

Based on my experience, I think the 28 and 50 lenses you have will be disappointing on a non-M camera. Might be ok on an SL, but better on an M. The 15 might be rough too.  I think I have heard the 21 is better on non-M cameras, but I am not sure. 
 

I think the advice you got above is good. 

[rramesh]

Thanks for all your comments and suggestions. This is my decision.

I have sold my M9-P and have decided to purchase an M10-P.  This addresses my need for the occasional accurate framing. Once I get familiar with it over the next few weeks, I will decide on whether I would need an EVF.

Edited August 5, 2020 by rramesh