cirke Posted October 29, 2020 Share #221 Posted October 29, 2020 Advertisement (gone after registration) I’ll pay for a TL noctilux 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted October 29, 2020 Posted October 29, 2020 Hi cirke, Take a look here Hoping that CL2 = mini SL2. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
lct Posted October 29, 2020 Share #222 Posted October 29, 2020 1 hour ago, cirke said: I’ll pay for a TL noctilux I would not hold my breath but who knows... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicci78 Posted October 29, 2020 Author Share #223 Posted October 29, 2020 A Noctilux-TL 23mm was rumored years ago. Then nothing Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cirke Posted October 29, 2020 Share #224 Posted October 29, 2020 a TL Noctilux 23 would be perfect and by the way a M 35 Noctilux too Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruskkyle Posted October 29, 2020 Share #225 Posted October 29, 2020 Ahh that would be epic. Or to be honest any wide angle faster than f2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted October 30, 2020 Share #226 Posted October 30, 2020 19 hours ago, cirke said: a TL Noctilux 23 would be perfect and by the way a M 35 Noctilux too Would very likely be HUGE and heavy ... and would require at least 2 years' design / development ... and enough potential sales to justify the design/development costs Leica probably have other priorities for their limited resources ... unless 'farmed out' to Panasonic or a third party dunk 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicci78 Posted October 31, 2020 Author Share #227 Posted October 31, 2020 Advertisement (gone after registration) You should watch Peter Karbe Art of M and SL lenses presentation. And what he says about light flux. Noctilux-TL 23mm should not be harder than a Summilux-SL 35 in a smaller package due to smaller coverage. What count is light flux. We should convert focal and aperture for APS-C. So 23mm f/0.95 APS-C would have the same light flux as 35mm f/1.4 Full frame. In the presentation, he talked about Summilux-TL 35mm f/1.4 having the same light flux as 50mm f/2.1 full frame 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeicaS2 Posted October 31, 2020 Share #228 Posted October 31, 2020 I used to think IBIS was unnecessary for my use except with long lenses. Sure it’s needed for marketing competition. But the CL is one Leica I don’t mind handing to a new user and I just discovered that non camera users need IBIS even if I don’t. I handed mine with an 18mm to a non user and they added camera shake that wouldn’t have happened with IBIS. So yes a CL2 has to have IBIS. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicci78 Posted October 31, 2020 Author Share #229 Posted October 31, 2020 I think that you’re right about that. There is also a huge stability difference between shooting through EVF or with rear screen like a tourist. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Chef Posted October 31, 2020 Share #230 Posted October 31, 2020 24 minutes ago, nicci78 said: I think that you’re right about that. There is also a huge stability difference between shooting through EVF or with rear screen like a tourist. “Like a tourist” how charmingly condescending and offensive. That statement says more about your attitude to others than the person using the rear screen. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted October 31, 2020 Share #231 Posted October 31, 2020 If non-users and tourists vote for IBIS we stand a good chance to get it in the CL...12 i guess . Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 1, 2020 Share #232 Posted November 1, 2020 There are plenty of shooting situations to prefer a screen over a viewfinder. Apart from the obvious ones - like having to shoot in a crowd, etc, there is also a compositional one: a screen allows one to place the framing within a complete scene, like the space around the framelines in the M, but on a larger scale. Try it - it is bound to improve your compositions. Compare it to a painters - they will frame making a square of their thumbs and index fingers and hold their hands at arm's length. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 1, 2020 Share #233 Posted November 1, 2020 1 hour ago, lct said: If non-users and tourists vote for IBIS we stand a good chance to get it in the CL...12 i guess . Non-users, tourists... and long lens users. Preferably in the CL2. It is really the only feature that would make me upgrade. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cirke Posted November 1, 2020 Share #234 Posted November 1, 2020 (edited) 19 hours ago, nicci78 said: I think that you’re right about that. There is also a huge stability difference between shooting through EVF or with rear screen like a tourist. please check Alan Schaller to have a better idea of what a tourist can do with rear screen Edited November 1, 2020 by cirke 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick in CO Posted November 1, 2020 Share #235 Posted November 1, 2020 14 hours ago, jaapv said: Non-users, tourists... and long lens users. Preferably in the CL2. It is really the only feature that would make me upgrade. IBIS would be very nice. I'm holding out for a significantly resolution upgraded EVF and weather sealing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregm61 Posted November 1, 2020 Share #236 Posted November 1, 2020 3 hours ago, Rick in CO said: IBIS would be very nice. I'm holding out for a significantly resolution upgraded EVF and weather sealing. I would imagine you’ll need to “settle” for an SL2. IBIS I possibly see happening in the CL series. Weather sealing? Doubtful, especially considering all the non-sealed native lenses in the system so many already own. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicci78 Posted November 2, 2020 Author Share #237 Posted November 2, 2020 (edited) On 10/31/2020 at 9:33 PM, Le Chef said: “Like a tourist” how charmingly condescending and offensive. That statement says more about your attitude to others than the person using the rear screen. I am using the Q/Q2 half of the time like a tourist. It is not condescending. When visiting another place. We are all tourists. I was just using a term coined by french magazine : Chasseur d’images. Isn’t it refreshing to be a tourist in a lock down situation ? Framing a 28mm with EVF or rear screen, yield to different results. I use both. Having a child now. I really wish for an articulated screen. Framing from above like with Hasselblad or Rolleiflex would be perfect. But I guess that I have to look elsewhere. Because articulated screen will break Leica’s perfect design. Edited November 2, 2020 by nicci78 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cirke Posted November 2, 2020 Share #238 Posted November 2, 2020 you can shoot from an iphone no needs for articulated screen Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick in CO Posted November 2, 2020 Share #239 Posted November 2, 2020 22 hours ago, Gregm61 said: I would imagine you’ll need to “settle” for an SL2. IBIS I possibly see happening in the CL series. Weather sealing? Doubtful, especially considering all the non-sealed native lenses in the system so many already own. I think the CL finds its niche as a carry-about and/or travel camera - size matters. The EVF from the Q2 would make the finder window slightly larger but it would still be quite compact. There is some criticism of more expensive cameras with a 2.4 M-dot EVF as being not justified for the price. As an M10 user I am looking for something lighter and more compact with AF and a moderate range zoom lens. A weather-sealed body would be better than not. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicci78 Posted November 3, 2020 Author Share #240 Posted November 3, 2020 Leica can make get inspiration from Fujifilm X-S10 for future CL2 :- 26MP BSI APS-C - IBIS. - bigger battery (please use SL/Q2/SL2 one) Just add weathersealing over the X-S10 to justify higher cost of CL2 and voilà Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/311632-hoping-that-cl2-mini-sl2/?do=findComment&comment=4073086'>More sharing options...
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