Survey: Interested in the Leica M10-R?

[ontick]

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2 hours ago, ivohula said:

I have sold my M9 and M(240) recently to purchase a SL2. I will not buy another M until there is IBIS and an option for a state of the art Visoflex.

I use my Ms semi-professionally and there is nothing worse than missed focus on an otherwise great shot. I need a more friendly focusing system for my fashion work than a RF now that pixels are up and my eyes are old and down. I love the rendering of my M lenses so I like to use them but there is a saying that its better to have no photo than a blurry photo. Hence, IBIS and a 6 mill dot EVF, please. This is now a minimum expectation for serious photo work and, arguably, negligent if you have soft images, charge for your work and don't produce sharp properly exposed images 99% of the time. If the technology is there, you better damn well use it. Its like operating on someone without diagnostic imaging to show you the way. Did not have it 50 years ago and we were fine but more film was wasted and more people died than we would admit.

A M11 needs to grow with better dynamic range, IBIS and cutting edge EVF. At 2x or more in price than a comparable Canon or Nikon, Leica needs to step up and offer the choice. Then, they can have more of my hard earned money.

 

 

"there is a saying that its better to have no photo than a blurry photo"

Don't let Robert Capa hear you say that. (Death of a loyalist militiaman) 😏

 

[Jeff S]

15 minutes ago, audiophileguy said:

I was very interested and ready to order until I learned that it cannot support the Electronic Viewfinder that I use for my very wide angle lenses. Very, very frustrating.....

Please read the comments from your earlier post.,.

Jeff

[mooky]

Respectfully, I understand the attraction(s) for wanting it, but the camera/feature/usability for the price-point is just too limiting.

[Guest BlackBarn]

8 hours ago, Denys said:

But honestly, is there anyone here that deep down doesn't want one.

Yes

[bspencer413]

The original M9 had a sensor problem, that had to be replaced by Leica.

I would be very interested in having my M10 sensor replaced with the M10-r sensor.  

We know the can do it.  I would pay a few hundred or so for that options.

Best to all, stay safe!

Bill Spencer

(Leica user since 1966)

[wbabbott3]

Sorry, my 50 years of M use are over due to age and I prefer the auto focus of the SL2 and the successor to the M, the CL.

Bill

[Mr. Thompson]

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My M240's SD card reader failed shortly after the warranty expired. Leica NJ kept the camera for OVER ELEVEN MONTHS while they tried to generate an invoice which did not charge sales tax on labor. NO ONE I communicated with on Leica NJ's staff recognized illegally charging sales tax on labor as a problem.

Three months into the ordeal I finally reached Roger Horn. Roger called me back in a state of excitement three times during the next hour as he discovered the depth of the problem. Approximately three years earlier Leica Solms had installed their mandated accounting software which charged sales tax on labor. No one before me had bought this to his attention and he couldn't find a way around it. Think about this from a CEO's perspective. Imagine all the customer refunds and the nightmare of refilling sales tax documents for three years in 50 states, let alone the penalties? I can assure you that Roger was competent, enthusiastic and wonderful to talk with. The last conversation ended huge thank you for bringing this to his attention and that someone would get back to me with a solution.

EIGHT MONTHS LATER I finally received an invoice which still included sales tax on labor and a discount for the overcharge. THEY STILL HADN'T FIGURED OUT HOW TO FIX A SIMPLE ACCOUNTING SOFTWARE PROBLEM!!! They kept my camera hostage for almost a year because they couldn't generate a legal invoice. As far as I am concerned Leica NJ should have eaten the $900 bill or at the very least offered a discount.

I have learned three things from this.   Roger is a really nice guy with an incompetent staff. I like Roger, he's a photographer and I don't have good feelings about his luxury goods orientated replacement.  Leica really doesn't give a crap about their customers. And finally, anyone who has had their camera repaired by Leica NJ in the last few years can't or doesn't bother to read an invoice.

I WILL NEVER, EVER PURCHASE ANOTHER LEICA PRODUCT!!! I have a few lenses left which will be sold. The only thing I will keep is my monocular.

 

[bocaburger]

Sounds like a great camera, expensive but at least it's a technical move forward instead of a limited edition commemorative.  
I'm sticking with my pair of M240s for now, as even they have seen no use in several months due to the pandemic.  If and when there's an effective vaccine and I can feel safe traveling by plane again, I may reward myself with a trade-up, who knows? 

[naretev]

No. The megapixel thing is way over valued and not necessary and if you want it, an image stabilizer is almost essential. I have an M10P which is great and an M10 Monochrom where I wish they stopped at 30 mp. I print on a 24" printer and 18-24 mp gives great results. In my humble opinion the quest for more megapixels and more sharpness has little to do with quality of photos and more to do with sales. At this time, with tariffs, etc. prices are getting a bit over the top. I have used the S and SL systems as well but the M has been my passion since buying an M6 in the early 90's. It is sturdy but relatively light and inconspicuous, you want megapixels and high tech, go Sony.

Edited July 22, 2020 by naretev

[SrMi]

36 minutes ago, naretev said:

No. The megapixel thing is way over valued and not necessary and if you want it, an image stabilizer is almost essential. I have an M10P which is great and an M10 Monochrom where I wish they stopped at 30 mp. I print on a 24" printer and 18-24 mp gives great results. In my humble opinion the quest for more megapixels and more sharpness has little to do with quality of photos and more to do with sales. At this time, with tariffs, etc. prices are getting a bit over the top. I have used the S and SL systems as well but the M has been my passion since buying an M6 in the early 90's. It is sturdy but relatively light and inconspicuous, you want megapixels and high tech, go Sony.

Both Leica M10M and Hasselblad X1D do not have any stabilizers (lens or in-body), and they work very fine.
I see the increased resolution as a side effect. The improvement in image quality is the main benefit.
That said, all Leica's 24Mp cameras produce excellent output, as well. That resolution is plenty good.

[gotium]

3 hours ago, Mr. Thompson said:

My M240's SD card reader failed shortly after the warranty expired. Leica NJ kept the camera for OVER ELEVEN MONTHS while they tried to generate an invoice which did not charge sales tax on labor. NO ONE I communicated with on Leica NJ's staff recognized illegally charging sales tax on labor as a problem.

Three months into the ordeal I finally reached Roger Horn. Roger called me back in a state of excitement three times during the next hour as he discovered the depth of the problem. Approximately three years earlier Leica Solms had installed their mandated accounting software which charged sales tax on labor. No one before me had bought this to his attention and he couldn't find a way around it. Think about this from a CEO's perspective. Imagine all the customer refunds and the nightmare of refilling sales tax documents for three years in 50 states, let alone the penalties? I can assure you that Roger was competent, enthusiastic and wonderful to talk with. The last conversation ended huge thank you for bringing this to his attention and that someone would get back to me with a solution.

EIGHT MONTHS LATER I finally received an invoice which still included sales tax on labor and a discount for the overcharge. THEY STILL HADN'T FIGURED OUT HOW TO FIX A SIMPLE ACCOUNTING SOFTWARE PROBLEM!!! They kept my camera hostage for almost a year because they couldn't generate a legal invoice. As far as I am concerned Leica NJ should have eaten the $900 bill or at the very least offered a discount.

I have learned three things from this.   Roger is a really nice guy with an incompetent staff. I like Roger, he's a photographer and I don't have good feelings about his luxury goods orientated replacement.  Leica really doesn't give a crap about their customers. And finally, anyone who has had their camera repaired by Leica NJ in the last few years can't or doesn't bother to read an invoice.

I WILL NEVER, EVER PURCHASE ANOTHER LEICA PRODUCT!!! I have a few lenses left which will be sold. The only thing I will keep is my monocular.

 

I also hesitate, after they took SEVEN MONTHS to process a simple repair on an M7 for me, and then messed up the reassembly. But the worst part was the attitude - after THREE MONTHS of waiting after sending them the camera, I finally got hold of someone and learned that they HADN'T EVEN LOOKED AT IT. Then they replied with a series of remarkably condescending, arrogant and error-filled messages that made it clear that whoever was in charge of processing my repair was totally incompetent. That went on, truly, for seven months. 

I really do like their products. I have to take a deep breath before purchasing though. 

[rivi1969]

Extremely expensive. I wouldn't pay $9000 to downgrade from my M9-P!!

[rivi1969]

1 hour ago, naretev said:

No. The megapixel thing is way over valued and not necessary and if you want it, an image stabilizer is almost essential. I have an M10P which is great and an M10 Monochrom where I wish they stopped at 30 mp. I print on a 24" printer and 18-24 mp gives great results. In my humble opinion the quest for more megapixels and more sharpness has little to do with quality of photos and more to do with sales. At this time, with tariffs, etc. prices are getting a bit over the top. I have used the S and SL systems as well but the M has been my passion since buying an M6 in the early 90's. It is sturdy but relatively light and inconspicuous, you want megapixels and high tech, go Sony.

Agree, and I print all the time ads for newspapers, magazines and billboards. In fact a few days ago we made a 90 by 45 feet long print (which is a product shot of a facemark) to hang it outside a building (so the building is protected by its own giant facemask) I took the product shot with my 24mp Fuji XT3. I could use my 42mp Sony A7Rii but I didn't like that camera and I knew 24mp would be plenty of resolving power for what I need.

For personal use, my M9-P with its 18mp are enough to capture my travels. If I really need massive resolution, I would get the Fuji GFX100 and call it a day. 

[Mr. Thompson]

58 minutes ago, gotium said:

I also hesitate, after they took SEVEN MONTHS to process a simple repair on an M7 for me, and then messed up the reassembly. But the worst part was the attitude - after THREE MONTHS of waiting after sending them the camera, I finally got hold of someone and learned that they HADN'T EVEN LOOKED AT IT. Then they replied with a series of remarkably condescending, arrogant and error-filled messages that made it clear that whoever was in charge of processing my repair was totally incompetent. That went on, truly, for seven months. 

I really do like their products. I have to take a deep breath before purchasing though. 

My camera was done in six weeks, no issues. They couldn't figure out how to fix the accounting software imposed by Solms. Think about it....

In over 50 years of photography I have had my 58 Voigtlander Vitessa serviced a couple of times and no other issues with any of other my cameras, Leica being the exception with the M9 sensor fiasco and the M240 SD card issue above. It's not worth having a safe full of glass at the cost of a well equipped E class Mercedes sitting idle. Leica has screwed themselves.

 

 

 

 

[Ferhat]

Recently switched to Leica and happy M10m user. The lenses and camera are so small, decided to get M10R as well to keep in the bag for when the opportunity presents itself.

Have only shot with it for an afternoon and waiting for camera profiles but so far happy with with dynamic range and colors.

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[Mikep996]

"Leica NJ kept the camera for OVER ELEVEN MONTHS while they tried to generate an invoice which did not charge sales tax on labor"

FWIW, many (all?) US states charge sales tax on labor.  Don't know about other countries but if the state you are in charges tax for labor, that amount would legally have to be on the invoice/paid by the "purchaser."  Even if you have the labor performed in a state/country that does not charge tax for labor, if your state does, you are legally obligated to report it and pay it.  Of course, most folks don't actually do that!

[Newahvennick]

With an M10-D and Q2 I would be up for adding M10-M next and probably an SL2 over the M10-R but its still very interesting although I think 24MB is usually enough for most people if they are honest with themselves. 

 

[250swb]

I voted 'No', not interested. 

I can see the point of a higher resolution camera, but it needs IBIS, and when you have IBIS you naturally have a bigger camera, and if you have a bigger camera anyway why not buy a more fully featured camera (such as the SL2) and get all your eggs in one basket? It's jaw dropping to realise that instead of an M10R you can buy a Nikon Z7 with the highly acclaimed current Z prime lenses (5 in all, but omitting 58mm f/0.95) and have enough change for a weekend away. And it takes all your older Nikon lenses with an adapter, and M lenses with an adapter (all with IBIS), and it's 47mp, and etc. 

Edited July 22, 2020 by 250swb

[sincurves]

Focusing on the higher resolution is missing the point. The handling of highlights and improvements in colors is the real story. Very impressed.

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[Denys]

10 hours ago, BlackBarn said:

Yes

Hi! I am happy to try and clarify or justify anything I say in this forum. The words you quote, however, were not mine.