Raul Gomez Posted July 26, 2020 Share #181 Posted July 26, 2020 Advertisement (gone after registration) On 7/21/2020 at 5:47 AM, LUF Admin said: Last week the Leica M10-R was introduced, meanwhile there is a lot of information and opinion about the camera. What is your opinion? Interested in the Leica M10-R? Please vote above and comment below! Interested. Received it today! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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craigr Posted July 26, 2020 Share #182 Posted July 26, 2020 That’s interested all right! Congratulations. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted July 26, 2020 Share #183 Posted July 26, 2020 I'll probably pass on it. I have an M10 and M9M (getting less use nowadays), and an SL2 for high resolution such as landscape. There is enough overlap here between the systems. I'd love the M10R but somewhere I need to draw a line in the sand on the price of equipment, especially in these uncertain times. ...but sand does shift........🙄 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanford Posted July 26, 2020 Share #184 Posted July 26, 2020 Loved the M10 form factor, images, and experience. Traded it in for an M10M because I’m really into B&W. Bought an SL2 for color to mainly use it with the M lenses. Then tried it with an 35mm SL lens and fell in love. However if I was just transitioning to the world of of M cameras, the M10P or M10R would be my first choice. With the minimal price difference, the M10R would win out. But still waiting for low light reviews of the M10R. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lik Posted July 28, 2020 Share #185 Posted July 28, 2020 Money gone. What the f have I done! Leica arrived. Life is good. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StilettodudeQ Posted July 30, 2020 Share #186 Posted July 30, 2020 On order right now. A great companion for my M10 and Q, I think. I love the opportunity to slow down and think, before I image. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted July 30, 2020 Share #187 Posted July 30, 2020 Advertisement (gone after registration) On 7/28/2020 at 2:32 AM, lik said: Money gone. What the f have I done! Leica arrived. Life is good. Viva la resolución alta :). 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikep996 Posted July 31, 2020 Share #188 Posted July 31, 2020 Out of curiosity I was doing a little price checking re the R. I ASSUMED that since Germany is a lot closer to the UK than is the US, that an M10R would be less expensive here than in the US. I was surprised to find that the Leica UK price for an R is nearly 1000 USD higher than the US (B&H/Adorama) price for the camera. Oddly, the Leica handgrip that I just purchased from Leica UK (which was shipped to me here in the UK from Germany), cost notably LESS than it would have in the US from BH/Adorama. I don't get it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted July 31, 2020 Share #189 Posted July 31, 2020 33 minutes ago, Mikep996 said: Out of curiosity I was doing a little price checking re the R. I ASSUMED that since Germany is a lot closer to the UK than is the US, that an M10R would be less expensive here than in the US. I was surprised to find that the Leica UK price for an R is nearly 1000 USD higher than the US (B&H/Adorama) price for the camera. Oddly, the Leica handgrip that I just purchased from Leica UK (which was shipped to me here in the UK from Germany), cost notably LESS than it would have in the US from BH/Adorama. I don't get it. You may wish to take the VAT (value added tax) into account. US users don't have to pay VAT if they buy the camera to UK or German sellers. Then the price will be about 20% lower than the EU price for them. Import taxes will have to be paid in the USA though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikep996 Posted July 31, 2020 Share #190 Posted July 31, 2020 That's a good point! I hadn't thought about that. The UK price is £7100 (incl VAT) the US price is $8200. The conversion £ to $ is around $8300. SO...reducing that by 20% would make the price around 600+ USD LESS expensive than in the US. As noted, you would have to pay duty on it in the US which would take it back up to essentially the price of the camera from B&H. So essentially, it costs the same. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arrow Posted July 31, 2020 Share #191 Posted July 31, 2020 It does not take film => MP Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikep996 Posted July 31, 2020 Share #192 Posted July 31, 2020 there was a typo/bad math in my post, above. The Uk price in USD is 9300, not 8300. the rest is about right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted July 31, 2020 Share #193 Posted July 31, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, Mikep996 said: That's a good point! I hadn't thought about that. The UK price is £7100 (incl VAT) the US price is $8200. The conversion £ to $ is around $8300. SO...reducing that by 20% would make the price around 600+ USD LESS expensive than in the US. As noted, you would have to pay duty on it in the US which would take it back up to essentially the price of the camera from B&H. So essentially, it costs the same. Current US Leica prices also need to take into account the 25% tariff on German lens imports, which Leica has moderated by spreading the increase across the product range (by about 10%), but judiciously excluding some new releases (like they did with the SL2, which is in a more competitive market segment). Jeff Edited July 31, 2020 by Jeff S Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Nowhereman Posted August 6, 2020 Share #194 Posted August 6, 2020 Some people have found that the M10-R has more dynamic range than the M10, which has interested me more than the increase in resolution. However, the Photons to Photo site shows that the M10-R is very similar in dynamic range to the M10, and the GRIII. It is also close to that of Nikon Z as well. So what does this mean? Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ____________________Frog Leaping photobook Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ____________________ Frog Leaping photobook ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/311527-survey-interested-in-the-leica-m10-r/?do=findComment&comment=4022685'>More sharing options...
lct Posted August 6, 2020 Share #195 Posted August 6, 2020 1 hour ago, Nowhereman said: Some people have found that the M10-R has more dynamic range than the M10, which has interested me more than the increase in resolution. However, the Photons to Photo site shows that the M10-R is very similar in dynamic range to the M10, and the GRIII. It is also close to that of Nikon Z as well. So what does this mean? Hard to get better DR with smaller pixels i guess. https://www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR.htm#Leica M10-R,Sony ILCE-7S Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rramesh Posted August 7, 2020 Share #196 Posted August 7, 2020 2 hours ago, Nowhereman said: Some people have found that the M10-R has more dynamic range than the M10, which has interested me more than the increase in resolution. However, the Photons to Photo site shows that the M10-R is very similar in dynamic range to the M10, and the GRIII. It is also close to that of Nikon Z as well. So what does this mean? This is probably true. Marginal at best. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted August 7, 2020 Share #197 Posted August 7, 2020 1 hour ago, lct said: Hard to get better DR with smaller pixels i guess. True, but as Stefan Daniel has explained, the M10-R sensor performance was improved despite the expected challenge. Specifically he mentioned four improvements: greater active sensor area vs inactive (supporting electronics); 10% more photons; dual gain architecture; and reshaped pixels (to correct a small irregularity). Other tests seem to confirm higher dynamic range and improved ISO performance vs the M10. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted August 7, 2020 Share #198 Posted August 7, 2020 I did not get the M10, waiting for the M11 or M10-R. The improvement in DR and high ISO performance compared with the M240 is a big leap. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwesi Posted August 7, 2020 Share #199 Posted August 7, 2020 (edited) 19 hours ago, Nowhereman said: Some people have found that the M10-R has more dynamic range than the M10, which has interested me more than the increase in resolution. However, the Photons to Photo site shows that the M10-R is very similar in dynamic range to the M10, and the GRIII. It is also close to that of Nikon Z as well. So what does this mean? Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ____________________Frog Leaping photobook To answer your question, For me as an M10 P user(see chart below) it means that in the ISO range that I work in, there is no appreciable difference in dynamic range between M10P and M10R. For those who depend on ISO 6400 and greater though the switch is worthwhile. This graph may also explain why Leica was able to increase the maximum exposure time over the M10/P without a loss in image quality, https://www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR.htm#Leica M10-R Edited August 7, 2020 by Kwesi Forgot to add link to site Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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