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Leica M10-R - Interested?  

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  1. 1. Are you interested in the Leica M10-R?

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I'll probably pass on it. I have an M10 and M9M (getting less use nowadays), and an SL2  for high resolution such as landscape. There is enough overlap here between the systems.

I'd love the M10R but somewhere I need to draw a line in the sand on the price of equipment, especially in these uncertain times.

 

...but sand does shift........🙄

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Loved the M10 form factor, images, and experience. Traded it in for an M10M because I’m really into B&W. Bought an SL2 for color to mainly use it with the M lenses. Then tried it with an 35mm SL lens and fell in love.

However if I was just transitioning to the world of of M cameras, the M10P or M10R would be my first choice. With the minimal price difference, the M10R would win out. But still waiting for low light reviews of the M10R.

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Out of curiosity I was doing a little price checking re the R.   I ASSUMED :blink: that since Germany is a lot closer to the UK than is the US, that an M10R would be less expensive here than in the US. I was surprised to find that the Leica UK price for an R is nearly 1000 USD higher than the US (B&H/Adorama) price for the camera.  Oddly, the Leica handgrip that I just purchased from Leica UK (which was shipped to me here in the UK from Germany), cost notably LESS than it would have in the US from BH/Adorama.  I don't get it.  

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33 minutes ago, Mikep996 said:

Out of curiosity I was doing a little price checking re the R.   I ASSUMED :blink: that since Germany is a lot closer to the UK than is the US, that an M10R would be less expensive here than in the US. I was surprised to find that the Leica UK price for an R is nearly 1000 USD higher than the US (B&H/Adorama) price for the camera.  Oddly, the Leica handgrip that I just purchased from Leica UK (which was shipped to me here in the UK from Germany), cost notably LESS than it would have in the US from BH/Adorama.  I don't get it.  

You may wish to take the VAT (value added tax) into account. US users don't have to pay VAT if they buy the camera to UK or German sellers. Then the price will be about 20% lower than the EU price for them. Import taxes will have to be paid in the USA though.

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That's a good point!  I hadn't thought about that.  The UK price is £7100 (incl VAT)  the US price is $8200.  The conversion £ to $ is around $8300.  SO...reducing that by 20% would make the price around 600+ USD LESS expensive than in the US.  As noted, you would have to pay duty on it in the US which would take it back up to essentially the price of the camera from B&H.  So essentially, it costs the same.

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5 hours ago, Mikep996 said:

That's a good point!  I hadn't thought about that.  The UK price is £7100 (incl VAT)  the US price is $8200.  The conversion £ to $ is around $8300.  SO...reducing that by 20% would make the price around 600+ USD LESS expensive than in the US.  As noted, you would have to pay duty on it in the US which would take it back up to essentially the price of the camera from B&H.  So essentially, it costs the same.

Current US Leica prices also need to take into account the 25% tariff on German lens imports, which Leica has moderated by spreading the increase across the product range (by about 10%), but judiciously excluding some new releases (like they did with the SL2, which is in a more competitive market segment).

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Some people have found that the M10-R has more dynamic range than the M10, which has interested me more than the increase in resolution. However, the Photons to Photo site shows that the M10-R is very similar in dynamic range to the M10, and the GRIII. It is also close to that of Nikon Z as well. So what does this mean?

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1 hour ago, Nowhereman said:

Some people have found that the M10-R has more dynamic range than the M10, which has interested me more than the increase in resolution. However, the Photons to Photo site shows that the M10-R is very similar in dynamic range to the M10, and the GRIII. It is also close to that of Nikon Z as well. So what does this mean?

Hard to get better DR with smaller pixels i guess.

https://www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR.htm#Leica M10-R,Sony ILCE-7S

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2 hours ago, Nowhereman said:

Some people have found that the M10-R has more dynamic range than the M10, which has interested me more than the increase in resolution. However, the Photons to Photo site shows that the M10-R is very similar in dynamic range to the M10, and the GRIII. It is also close to that of Nikon Z as well. So what does this mean?

 

This is probably true. Marginal at best.

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1 hour ago, lct said:

Hard to get better DR with smaller pixels i guess.

 

True, but as Stefan Daniel has explained, the M10-R sensor performance was improved despite the expected challenge. Specifically he mentioned four improvements:  greater active sensor area vs inactive (supporting electronics); 10% more photons; dual gain architecture; and reshaped pixels (to correct a small irregularity).  Other tests seem to confirm higher dynamic range and improved ISO performance vs the M10. 

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19 hours ago, Nowhereman said:

Some people have found that the M10-R has more dynamic range than the M10, which has interested me more than the increase in resolution. However, the Photons to Photo site shows that the M10-R is very similar in dynamic range to the M10, and the GRIII. It is also close to that of Nikon Z as well. So what does this mean?

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To answer your question,

For me as an M10 P user(see chart below) it means that in the ISO range that I work in, there is no appreciable difference in dynamic range between M10P and M10R.

For those who depend on ISO 6400 and greater though the switch is worthwhile. This graph may also explain why Leica was able to increase the maximum exposure time over the  M10/P without a loss in image quality,

https://www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR.htm#Leica M10-R

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