Leica M10-R: New M-Flagship with 41 MP Sensor

[wlaidlaw]

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57 minutes ago, jwr50 said:

I have had the same experience with the Epson 3880 -- it just keeps putting out great results (with OEM inks).  I am just hoping the Epson doesn't stop producing the inks for the 3880 any time soon.

Keep your empty OEM 3880 ink carts. If Epson stop selling the ink, you can buy a set of refillable carts from www.Inkjetmall.com, which work perfectly, after you have transferred a set of original coded chips from the empty OEM carts. The only thing which does not work well is ink level but the carts are translucent, so you can just do a visual check. Like you I still use OEM colour but I have a set of the refillable carts with Piezoflush in them for when the printer is sitting unused in my French house over the winter, when I am back in the UK. The same company's pigment colour and monochrome bulk ink supplies have a first class reputation and are supposed to be every bit as good as OEM. Not cheap but cheap and good is a very rare concept since the demise of the Ford Model T. 

Wilson

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Out of the UK, ( and now in the US too believe ), these people are excellent in regards to after-market ink-sets and cartridge systems for the Epsons,

https://www.marrutt.com/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI2qD09Zbp6gIVh_dRCh0YMAQ1EAAYASAAEgKS3fD_BwE

........Very helpful people too. I've used Marrutt's inks in a 3800 and in a P800 now for 3-4 years after using Cone's inks, ( InkjetMall ), in the US for years previously. 

Edited July 25, 2020 by petermullett

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[budjames]

On 7/25/2020 at 2:43 PM, dkmoore said:

Mine is on order from B&H as well and I agree the print quality between the two should be astonishing.

Just an FYI on the M10R, they have been popping up on Leica USA's online store although I applaud you if you want to wait in line to give SOHO business.

I've visited the Leica SoHo store several times since switching to Leica in the winter of 2017. I purchased  a used SL with 24-90 lens from him and then traded the SL for the SL2 when it became available from Eli, the owner. He is a really nice guy.

Unfortunately, his store was destroyed and robbed. His store is still not open as the area is still boarded up. I want to support him to help a small business owner get back on his feet. For that purpose, I have no problems waiting for him to get an M10-R in black chrome for me.

Regards,
Bud James

[OR120]

10 hours ago, budjames said:

I've visited the Leica SoHo store several times since switching to Leica in the winter of 2017. I purchased  a used SL with 24-90 lens from him and then traded the SL for the SL2 when it became available from Eli, the owner. He is a really nice guy.

Unfortunately, his store was destroyed and robbed His store is still not open as the area is still boarded up. I want to support him to help a small business owner get back on his feet. For that purpose, I have no problems waiting for him to get an M10-R in black chrome for me.

Regards,
Bud James

Good group of people at the Leica Soho - I’ve had very positive exchanges with them.

[budjames]

Just now, OR120 said:

Good group of people at the Leica Soho - I’ve had very positive exchanges with them.

I live in North Wales, PA, a suburb of Philadelphia, about 35 miles outside the city. My daughter lives and works in mid-town Manhattan, although she has been working remotely from our home since March due to the pandemic shut down.

In normal times, I have a reason to go to NYC a few times a year to visit our daughter, attend the annual PhotoPlus show, and various events in Little Italy and other places. Visiting the Leica SoHo store is easy during one of these trips. I also attended the SL2 introduce event that they hosted last fall. It was a lot of fun.

Regards,
Bud James

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10 hours ago, budjames said:

I want to support him to help a small business owner get back on his feet. For that purpose, I have no problems waiting for him to get an M10-R in black chrome for me.

Regards,
Bud James

My dealer is highly dependent on foreign visitors who come to town for trade fairs. Due to the pandemic,, this part of the business has come to a screeching halt. I want to support him and have no problems waiting for him to get an M11 for me sometime next year, hopefully. 

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[scott kirkpatrick]

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Leica USA may be different from the other country organizations but they seem to be deliberately undercutting their in-store distribution channels by having what seems like 6-12 new units per week for online sales while a Leica Store might get 2 and a regular but non-Leica store only one.  (I'm guessing at the numbers.)  Of course from Leica USA's point of view this means that more cameras sell at list price, and fewer at wholesale, but it also means that fewer stores will sell Leica, period.  This seems cheap and short-sighted to me.

[jwr50]

54 minutes ago, scott kirkpatrick said:

Leica USA may be different from the other country organizations but they seem to be deliberately undercutting their in-store distribution channels by having what seems like 6-12 new units per week for online sales while a Leica Store might get 2 and a regular but non-Leica store only one.  

I know that the Leica Store in D.C. got two shipments in this week (Mon. and Wed.) with a handful of M10-Rs in each shipment.  I don't know if they still have any in stock now, or if all of the cameras were sold out as soon as they received them.

It does seem that Leica USA is giving priority on distribution to their network of Leica stores, which is not surprising.

Edited July 26, 2020 by jwr50

[wlaidlaw]

1 hour ago, scott kirkpatrick said:

Leica USA may be different from the other country organizations but they seem to be deliberately undercutting their in-store distribution channels by having what seems like 6-12 new units per week for online sales while a Leica Store might get 2 and a regular but non-Leica store only one.  (I'm guessing at the numbers.)  Of course from Leica USA's point of view this means that more cameras sell at list price, and fewer at wholesale, but it also means that fewer stores will sell Leica, period.  This seems cheap and short-sighted to me.

They have done that for years in the UK and also favouring certain big dealers. They took away the dealerships from some of the small specialist photoshops, like my local dealer H.A Baker, where you got a really personal service and gave out dealerships to organisations, who I would classify as box shifters. That is why I now use a dealer some 600 miles away, who I have known for 30 years and still get a first class personal service.

I was furious when I found out I was still waiting for my M9, ordered and deposit paid nine months before release date, from H.A.Baker, then still a Leica dealer, when someone had walked into a Leica main dealer in London and had a choice of grey or black off the shelf. I wrote to the CEO of Leica and oddly received my M9 the next week, when the rep had told the shop that it would weeks before they got their allocation. 

Wilson

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3 hours ago, jwr50 said:

I know that the Leica Store in D.C. got two shipments in this week (Mon. and Wed.) with a handful of M10-Rs in each shipment.  I don't know if they still have any in stock now, or if all of the cameras were sold out as soon as they received them.

It does seem that Leica USA is giving priority on distribution to their network of Leica stores, which is not surprising.

They did not have extras for sale on hand, and currently do not. I was near the front of the list and was told mine would arrive in the second shipment, but I instead got lucky and found one at Ace Photo in VA and so removed myself from the waiting list at the DC shop.

[budjames]

I agree. Even though Leica is a big company, dealer with a locally-owned Leica boutique is a great experience. I much prefer to support a local business owner than continuing to give my cash to B&H Photo as I have done for over 20 years.

Customer loyalty has grown my business, so I prefer to do the same when I purchase goods, if possible.

Regards,
Bud James

[budjames]

On 7/25/2020 at 10:31 AM, jwr50 said:

I have had the same experience with the Epson 3880 -- it just keeps putting out great results (with OEM inks).  I am just hoping the Epson doesn't stop producing the inks for the 3880 any time soon.

I owned the 3880. It was a real workhorse. Like my current Epson P800, I could leave the 3880 off for months at a time and fire it up to print without any head clogs or other issues.

The 17" Epson printers are a great choice for hobbyists and professionals who want great results with minimum effort and maintenance for those of us with lower utilization needs.

I would love to be able to print to 24" wide with the new Epson P7570, but my low annual printing needs don't make this purchase practical. I would love to hear from owners of the P7570 to hear about their experiences.

Regards,
Bud James

[wlaidlaw]

1 hour ago, budjames said:

I agree. Even though Leica is a big company, dealer with a locally-owned Leica boutique is a great experience. I much prefer to support a local business owner than continuing to give my cash to B&H Photo as I have done for over 20 years.

Customer loyalty has grown my business, so I prefer to do the same when I purchase goods, if possible.

Regards,
Bud James

I have only once been to B&H to buy one of the L mount pancake 18mm lenses, to make my CL pocketable. It was a shopping experience similar to Ikea - only if you have to. 

Wilson

[Triumph]

I am not sure that the M10R is for me. OK it has a larger sensor and is great if you plan to make huge prints but I do not do that...my typical print size is A4 and occasionally A3 and the M10 is able to do that. I take a lot of images of family and the kids / grandkids are always on the move so the slightly slower M10R is not useful, it really comes into its  own with large landscapes or buildings. I also am no fan of the silent shutter (M10P) as for me the classic sound of the M10 shutter is what Leica is all about. It also helps in portrait shoots where a not so loud click imparts confidence to the person being photographed....a silent shutter does not give that. 

 

What I would like to see is a flash contact on the back of the camera for studio lights ...however I talked to stefan Daniels on that subject and he asked his engineers who said that there is no room. Frankly I disagree they could do it if they wanted to. I shoot a lot of stuff for Ebay and portraits and food photography and all of that needs ideally studio lights. So Leica says it is a system camera but it does not allow that option if you use the Visoflex.

[Jeff S]

5 hours ago, Triumph said:

OK it has a larger sensor and is great if you plan to make huge prints but I do not do that...

Pedant alert... same size sensor; more MP.

Jeff

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I received my M10-R from Bergen County Camera on Saturday. It was chrome and those took a while longer to get in than the all-black models (I still have bad memories of how badly made my black m9 was and, on a happier note, have an M-10 Monochrome so this helps tell them apart). Great camera. Preliminary explorations suggest it will be important to go with faster shutter speeds or a tripod to get the most out of this camera, but the most is a lot. Very nice.

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Regarding the last post.

Is it not true that all this extra resolution hype is totally irrelevant unless the camera is mounted on a sturdy or at least steady well made tripod?

[SrMi]

1 hour ago, steve 1959 said:

Regarding the last post.

Is it not true that all this extra resolution hype is totally irrelevant unless the camera is mounted on a sturdy or at least steady well made tripod?

It is not true. Don't want to elaborate as that has been discussed in other threads already.

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13 hours ago, SrMi said:

It is not true. Don't want to elaborate as that has been discussed in other threads already.

I disagree but dont want to elaborate because its obviously true.

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[SrMi]

2 hours ago, steve 1959 said:

I disagree but dont want to elaborate because its obviously true.

Is your opinion based on your experience with high resolution cameras?

I have been shooting handheld with high resolution (46Mp) cameras without a tripod and stabilization since 2017 (Nikon D850).
- Nikon D850 is a 46Mp camera. It has been used successfully without a tripod and optical stabilization by many.

- Hasselblad X1D (50Mp, no IBIS, no VR) is used mostly handheld with great success (see recent Stephen Shore work).

- Most Leica M10M shooting is done handheld.

Even a 100Mp camera (H6D) is being used successfully without a tripod (mostly in a studio).