M10-R full specifications and photos

[setuporg]

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2 hours ago, Fedro said:

then buy a bigger tree and fill it with red dot lights, you never know ..  

red lights will be fine!

[darylgo]

We know the what, where, how.  The when is the great unknown.  I've asked "the when" of those that might have an insight, but no one knows or they aren't telling. 

Can anyone shed some light on the "when".  To be more clear I'm referring to the release date.  

[scott kirkpatrick]

Past practice would be that there are some in the Leica stores already.  But there should be a ship date announced tomorrow, which could be that instant or maybe later.  Sorry, can't help more than that.

Things got a little confused when the SL2 started to ship, as it wasn't clear whether they would come with lenses attached to beat a tariff.  I don't think there any customs uncertainties this time.

Edited July 15, 2020 by scott kirkpatrick

[darylgo]

7 minutes ago, scott kirkpatrick said:

Past practice would be that there are some in the Leica stores already.  But there should be a ship date announced tomorrow, which could be that instant or maybe later.  Sorry, can't help more than that.

One dealer let slip that the M10-P could no longer be ordered a month ago and suggested the M10-R was imminent,  coincidently M10-P prices rose on used.  This was communicated through email, so I don't want to start any rumors about the M10-P and I am not completely sure the dealer meant a permanent situation with the M10_P,  furthermore I can't imagine a discontinued P model so soon, unless a ME type edition will be released to take the place of the M10 and P.  Leica Rumors is quiet.  

[yggdra.omega]

29 minutes ago, darylgo said:

We know the what, where, how.  The when is the great unknown.  I've asked "the when" of those that might have an insight, but no one knows or they aren't telling. 

Can anyone shed some light on the "when".  To be more clear I'm referring to the release date.  

At the very least, the Leica dealer I called said it would NOT be worth waiting outside the door on release day. I spent about $18k there in the past year so I am hoping they didn't give me a canned response, ha.

Edited July 15, 2020 by yggdra.omega
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[wlaidlaw]

If my dealer does as well for me with the M10-R as he did with the SL, I shall be a very pleased person. My SL was delivered by special delivery on the day after the announcement. Of course, this time, I am dealing with a shop still half shut from Covid due to their local regulations, then the vagaries of the wholly broken courier system to France.

All the big courier companies in France, use one man band operations with a single rusty white van for the final leg of an international delivery. The service these people provide is abysmal. I had a Leica 100mm APO Macro-Elmarit-R, which has taken nearly four months to come from New Zealand, finally scheduled to be delivered today but at 5PM I had a text saying it wouldn't be delivered and asking what day I would like it delivered and where 😡😡, so I have to wait in another day as there is duty to pay on the package. 

Wilson

[haikos]

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Has Leica moved away from using black paint+brass? Will they reintroduce it in the model to be announced?

[yggdra.omega]

30 minutes ago, haikos said:

Has Leica moved away from using black paint+brass? Will they reintroduce it in the model to be announced?

The Safari M10-P was green paint on brass. We're guessing its just gonna be black and silver chrome on the new model. No idea of anything else, personally 

[Boojay]

14 hours ago, darylgo said:

We know the what, where, how.  The when is the great unknown.  I've asked "the when" of those that might have an insight, but no one knows or they aren't telling. 

Can anyone shed some light on the "when".  To be more clear I'm referring to the release date.  

According to the website sales start 20th July.

https://store.leica-camera.com/uk/en/detail/index/sArticle/4351

 

[scott kirkpatrick]

I think that breaks the usual embargo, which would restrict information until the start of the press conference in Wetzlar at 3 pm today.  But it makes sense to open it since they are offering further information (if there is more to be said) after the Wetzlar presentations.  

[wlaidlaw]

Strange that only the silver version seems to be breaking the embargo and the black version is obeying the rules. 

Wilson

[NigelG]

I was also surprised to see that this morning when checking the time of the launch! 

I’m hoping that the specs will be good enough to encourage some existing M10-P owners to upgrade (esp. silver chrome owners....(cough))

[yggdra.omega]

23 minutes ago, NigelG said:

I was also surprised to see that this morning when checking the time of the launch! 

I’m hoping that the specs will be good enough to encourage some existing M10-P owners to upgrade (esp. silver chrome owners....(cough))

I'm getting an error opening that link, did it say anything other than when orders can start?

[NigelG]

Been removed - maybe the fat-fingered webmaster at Leica UK reads this forum?

Anyway - confirmed sensor specs (40.8 MP sensor if I recall correctly), touchscreen and shutter from M10-P

[Dr No]

On 7/10/2020 at 8:49 PM, 250swb said:

It's a common thing with all modern cameras and this is no exception, the higher the megapixels are the more bland the photographs become. This is the point in Leica history where going back to film is the guaranteed way to make a better photograph.

Poppycocks. Choosing any medium, film or high res digital isn't a guarantee to make a better photograph. The pixel count big, small or medium has absolutely nothings to do with a "better photograph".

Why does this argument persist that pixels or film has any affect what-so-ever on the photograph? They say also - more pixels won't make your photography better. It is stupid!

[farnz]

Too much false righteous indignation.  I'm not buying it.

Pete.

[250swb]

9 hours ago, Dr No said:

Poppycocks. Choosing any medium, film or high res digital isn't a guarantee to make a better photograph. The pixel count big, small or medium has absolutely nothings to do with a "better photograph".

Why does this argument persist that pixels or film has any affect what-so-ever on the photograph? They say also - more pixels won't make your photography better. It is stupid!

Maybe there is a language problem or more likely the stupidity is on your side, maybe both, but I was saying the exact opposite of what you claim I was saying.

The 'better' photograph is the one that isn't bland and blandness is exactly the trend followed by devotees of more pixels. They are obliged in their own minds to demonstrate the attributes of the camera above any semblance of artistic expression they may still cling on to. So more pixels do not make a better photograph, it's what you do with them that makes a better photograph. Going back to film at least forces people to confront grain and all the other idiosyncrasies of film and not simply copying nature down to the last pixel of inane detail, got it?

Edited July 17, 2020 by 250swb

[Ouroboros]

10 minutes ago, 250swb said:

.....got it?

I doubt it.

[wlaidlaw]

32 minutes ago, 250swb said:

Maybe there is a language problem or more likely the stupidity is on your side, maybe both, but I was saying the exact opposite of what you claim I was saying.

The 'better' photograph is the one that isn't bland and blandness is exactly the trend followed by devotees of more pixels. They are obliged in their own minds to demonstrate the attributes of the camera above any semblance of artistic expression they may still cling on to. So more pixels do not make a better photograph, it's what you do with them that makes a better photograph. Going back to film at least forces people to confront grain and all the other idiosyncrasies of film and not simply copying nature down to the last pixel of inane detail, got it?

Steve, 

I know exactly what you mean. I have never liked Chromogenic films for this reason. To me their creamy look = characterless/slippery. OTOH, I was very fond of Plus X because of its very fine grain, maybe the equivalent of a high megapixel camera. I keep hoping Kodak might resurrect it like they have done with their TX3200. I am still buying an M10R but far more for its high ISO and wide dynamic range than more pixels. 

Wilson

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[Francran]

2 hours ago, 250swb said:

Maybe there is a language problem or more likely the stupidity is on your side, maybe both, but I was saying the exact opposite of what you claim I was saying.

The 'better' photograph is the one that isn't bland and blandness is exactly the trend followed by devotees of more pixels. They are obliged in their own minds to demonstrate the attributes of the camera above any semblance of artistic expression they may still cling on to. So more pixels do not make a better photograph, it's what you do with them that makes a better photograph. Going back to film at least forces people to confront grain and all the other idiosyncrasies of film and not simply copying nature down to the last pixel of inane detail, got it?

I think that the issue is straight digital colour to B&W conversion as in Photoshop or Lightroom will always give a bland look to the image.

Grain and the feel of an image really is important especially in a B&W photograph straight conversions of the colour image to B&W tones will always look poor in comparison to a proper conversion ideally using a dedicated B&W conversion program such as Silver FX or at least by converting each channel in Photoshop.