M10-R full specifications and photos

[convexferret]

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On 7/12/2020 at 12:43 PM, Nowhereman said:

Only if you insist on using SOOC files. The more pertinent question is whether the higher MP camera makes it impossible of vey difficult to torture the file to get the look you want. For example, for B&W film, it's common to shoot a low contrast negatives to get, in the darkroom, the higher contrast look that you want in the print. The following M10 image was underexposed by 1-½ stops. So, the question for me is whether the M10-R will make it so difficult to get the type of result seen below. Perhaps, our friends who shoot with the M10M can let us know — although I haven't seen anything out of the M10M that makes me want to buy that camera. 

M10 | DR Summicron-50 | ISO 200| f/f/5.6 | 1/350 sec | Wiang Pa Pao, Thailamd____________________
Frog Leaping photobook

In the case of the M10M, the files are noticeably more flexible than those of the M10, have a greater dynamic range and much better high-ISO performance. The number of MP is not a reliable guide to the quality of the files. 250swb appears to be making a statement to provoke rather than to educate.

On the subject of dynamic range, and to correct something that people often say and in fact has appeared already in this thread. A monochrome camera with the same chip as the colour variant (so not the M10m) does not have more dynamic range. All that happens is that the dynamic range shifts up the ISO scale by about a stop. If you look at Bill Claff's graphs you'll see that the dynamic range at base ISO is practically identical for the M9/M-monochrome and M240/M246

[farnz]

1 hour ago, darylgo said:

For fun, if you ever get a chance to shoot a Pentax 6x7 you will see how a huge shutter/mirror translates into energy, the kickback is substantial, it was the antithesis of a Leica M, and a great camera system with a loyal following.

This was where the "Mirror-Up" pre-shot mirror-cocking was crucial since Pentax used door steps for mirrors on that camera.  But then it seemed like the camera itself was cut from Aga ovens.  Still my favourite camera of all time thanks to the pictures it produced but alas it's beyond the physical limits of this disgracefully ageing gent.

Pete.

[tom0511]

For me a big step forward would be to get rid of the annoying M-bottom plate and adapt the battery and SD-card change as it works for the Q2. Would make battery change much easier and faster

 

 

 

 

[farnz]

13 minutes ago, tom0511 said:

For me a big step forward would be to get rid of the annoying M-bottom plate and adapt the battery and SD-card change as it works for the Q2. Would make battery change much easier and faster

I hear what you're saying but I can't honestly say that the bottom plate has delayed me so much that I've missed a shot.

Pete.

[yggdra.omega]

4 hours ago, analog-digital said:

Interesting you buy a camera just because of the "shutter sound"? Not because of the pictures they (could) take?

I stated the shutter was *one* of the most satisfying things about it, not the sole reason for purchasing it; I only find it noteworthy after taking into account the quality of the images, the build quality, and the usability of the camera (of which should be a given when considering any camera). Your statement is untrue when I compare the M10-P to any camera on the market, but inversely has some truth to it when I was comparing the M10-P to the original M10.

To be perfectly honest I sometimes take an additional picture or two I wasn't planning on just so I can feel the haptic feedback and hear the subtle sound of the M10-P shutter, and I do not feel the smallest bit guilty about it either.

[LBJ2]

12 hours ago, Dennis said:

Joining the thread.

I never had a camera with IBIS, only a few stabilized lenses. So I can't be objective. I know an IBIS could be a great extra value and help to shoot. But as you are sacrificing the battery for IBIS, I would prefer ten times have a better 6400-25,600 ISO-range performance. With IBIS, you can shoot handheld at very long shutter speed, awesome. But if the subject is a person, it's gonna be blurred, moved. With excellent high ISO, you can shoot with low light at 1/500 and voila. 

I think the essence of the M system camera is the OVF. Once you start to have on an M, a native EVF, an IBIS, etc., you begin to lose the essence that makes the M system unique. Perfect mechanical engineering, with a few buttons and features, on a digital body. IMHO
We just need the best tool (different for everyone) to take fabulous photos, the tool we are comfortable with. And I'm okay with the M just like this. For me, only better ISO performance (like the M10M, for example) is a game-changer. 

I agree "We just need the best tool (different for everyone) to take fabulous photos," 

For those that need the AF, IBIS, Lens Stabilization, EVF etc. Leica and all other camera manufacturers offer so many options. Please leave the last remaining Rangefinder be. 

Edited July 14, 2020 by LBJ2

[wlaidlaw]

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1 minute ago, LBJ2 said:

For those that need the AF, IBIS, Lens Stabilization, EVF etc. Leica and all other camera manufactureres offer so many options. Please leave the last remaining Rangefinder be. 

Dog in the manger attitude again. Don't like a feature - don't use it but for many of us older folk with less than steady hands, IBIS would be a real boon. I have been using M cameras for over 50 years and have M3, M4, M4-P, M7, M8, M9 and M240 cameras in my collection, the majority of which I have had since new. If IBIS could be added with no detriment to other features of the essential M, e.g. optical viewfinding and manual RF focusing I really cannot understand why folks are continually whingeing on about this. 

Wilson

[LBJ2]

7 minutes ago, wlaidlaw said:

Dog in the manger attitude again. Don't like a feature - don't use it but for many of us older folk with less than steady hands, IBIS would be a real boon. I have been using M cameras for over 50 years and have M3, M4, M4-P, M7, M8, M9 and M240 cameras in my collection, the majority of which I have had since new. If IBIS could be added with no detriment to other features of the essential M, e.g. optical viewfinding and manual RF focusing I really cannot understand why folks are continually whingeing on about this. 

Wilson

Had to look that one up. 

"dog in the manger"

noun

"a person who selfishly keeps something that he or she does not really need or want so that others may not use or enjoy it."

[Jeff S]

Leica is still the farmer with a stick.

Jeff

[microview]

OK. 4.25 GMT so where's the big announcement?

Edit: my mistake, Thursday not Tuesday.........

Edited July 14, 2020 by microview

[farnz]

5 minutes ago, microview said:

OK. 4.25 GMT so where's the big announcement?

Edit: my mistake, Thursday not Tuesday.........

It's still Christmas Eve. 

Pete.

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[Dennis]

3 hours ago, wlaidlaw said:

If IBIS could be added with no detriment to other features of the essential M, e.g. optical viewfinding and manual RF focusing I really cannot understand why folks are continually whingeing on about this. 

Of course, it would be more than welcome. What about two card slots also? That would be awesome. As you said, as long there is no detriment of the "must" M essential features, we can take everything. 😂 It's a plus and always helpful. My point is that for IBIS, video, and other great features, there is the SL2. The M should not change identity, and we all love like it is. We don't need more than this. 
Like HCB (to say one), W/o High ISO performance (because the ASA), IBIS, LV, etc. delivered excellent photography. Sometimes, I really think that we are slaves of consumerism, and we all want sometimes what we don't have, despite the fact that we don't really need it.

 

[Paulus]

vor 9 Stunden schrieb farnz:

I hear what you're saying but I can't honestly say that the bottom plate has delayed me so much that I've missed a shot.

Pete.

If it doesn't have a bottom plate , I wouldn't buy it. 

[Paulus]

vor 18 Stunden schrieb Dennis:

Joining the thread.

I never had a camera with IBIS, only a few stabilized lenses. So I can't be objective. I know an IBIS could be a great extra value and help to shoot. But as you are sacrificing the battery for IBIS, I would prefer ten times have a better 6400-25,600 ISO-range performance. With IBIS, you can shoot handheld at very long shutter speed, awesome. But if the subject is a person, it's gonna be blurred, moved. With excellent high ISO, you can shoot with low light at 1/500 and voila. 

I think the essence of the M system camera is the OVF. Once you start to have on an M, a native EVF, an IBIS, etc., you begin to lose the essence that makes the M system unique. Perfect mechanical engineering, with a few buttons and features, on a digital body. IMHO
We just need the best tool (different for everyone) to take fabulous photos, the tool we are comfortable with. And I'm okay with the M just like this. For me, only better ISO performance (like the M10M, for example) is a game-changer. 

+1 . BTW I like your photos!! 

[Dennis]

12 minutes ago, Paulus said:

+1 . BTW I like your photos!! 

🙏🙏🙏

[FlashGordonPhotography]

11 hours ago, tom0511 said:

For me a big step forward would be to get rid of the annoying M-bottom plate and adapt the battery and SD-card change as it works for the Q2. Would make battery change much easier and faster

 

 

 

 

I've hated it and loved it. One advantage is that *if* you like the RRS plates the whole base is replaced with a lovely dovetail tripod plate and a QD mount. As someone who uses both I find this to be a huge benifit of having a plate as the tripod plate doesn't interfere with getting the battery door open. And it only takes seconds to swap between the two plates so I don't need to have the extra bulk except when I need it. Of course many don't use either on their M cameras.

Gordon

[setuporg]

IBIS makes the most sense for video.  I see great improvements in hand-held video stability on the SL2.  For stills, we need high ISO as the M10M leads the way.

Edited July 15, 2020 by setuporg

[microview]

17 hours ago, farnz said:

It's still Christmas Eve. 

Pete.

Well I don't think Mr Kaufmann will be slipping an M10R under my little tree ....

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[Fedro]

3 hours ago, microview said:

Well I don't think Mr Kaufmann will be slipping an M10R under my little tree ....

then buy a bigger tree and fill it with red dot lights, you never know ..