m410 Posted July 10, 2020 Share #21 Posted July 10, 2020 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) Any battery life information in the currently available specifications? Hopefully there is an improvement in the M10-R over the M10 or M10-P as there was/is in the new Leica Q2 over the Q. As a M10 owner I miss the battery life of my M240. Edited July 10, 2020 by m410 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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microview Posted July 10, 2020 Share #22 Posted July 10, 2020 Leica Rumors suggests price of $8295 which would translate (UK) to £6553 – well below list price of M10M. Looks improbable to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted July 10, 2020 Share #23 Posted July 10, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, microview said: Leica Rumors suggests price of $8295 which would translate (UK) to £6553 – well below list price of M10M. Looks improbable to me. If that was a pre-tax price that might make sense with a final ticket of £7863. The UK shop price for the M10-M is in the £7400 region. Wilson Edited July 10, 2020 by wlaidlaw Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted July 10, 2020 Share #24 Posted July 10, 2020 59 minutes ago, microview said: Leica Rumors suggests price of $8295 which would translate (UK) to £6553 – well below list price of M10M. Looks improbable to me. That’s the exact US price of the M10 Monochrom. Jeff 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkmoore Posted July 10, 2020 Share #25 Posted July 10, 2020 2 hours ago, m410 said: Any battery life information in the currently available specifications? Hopefully there is an improvement in the M10-R over the M10 or M10-P as there was/is in the new Leica Q2 over the Q. As a M10 owner I miss the battery life of my M240. Will be exactly the same as the M10 and other variants. Which is perfectly fine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
yggdra.omega Posted July 10, 2020 Share #26 Posted July 10, 2020 I am having such a hard time deciding if I should keep my SL2 now, I don't have any SL lenses, just the M adapter L. I never record video, so if its just IBIS I'll be missing out on I think I might sell it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darylgo Posted July 11, 2020 Share #27 Posted July 11, 2020 Advertisement (gone after registration) Level gauge and touchscreen are not mentioned in the spec sheet. Would Leica go backwards to the original M10 and leave these out? We need a David Farkas review. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkmoore Posted July 11, 2020 Share #28 Posted July 11, 2020 43 minutes ago, darylgo said: Level gauge and touchscreen are not mentioned in the spec sheet. Would Leica go backwards to the original M10 and leave these out? We need a David Farkas review. No. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
onasj Posted July 11, 2020 Author Share #29 Posted July 11, 2020 1 hour ago, darylgo said: Level gauge and touchscreen are not mentioned in the spec sheet. Would Leica go backwards to the original M10 and leave these out? We need a David Farkas review. The touchscreen also isn’t mentioned in the M10-P spec sheet and is not mentioned in the M10-M spec sheet. I seriously doubt Leica will go backwards. My expectation: M10-M plus color filter array, plus red dot on the front, minus one stop of high-iso performance and up to one stop lower dynamic range than the M10-M. Same price. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darylgo Posted July 11, 2020 Share #30 Posted July 11, 2020 Thanks for the info, I am surprised Leica would not include it in the spec sheet. How would high iso and dynamic range compare to the M10-P if this is the M10M with bayer added? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
m410 Posted July 11, 2020 Share #31 Posted July 11, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, dkmoore said: ...Which is perfectly fine. Not as far as I am concerned...When the M10 was released for sale, battery life was a disappointment to many users. If battery life limits wasn't an issue, why would Leica make the change in the Q to the Q2? I believe it was/is because it is important to photographers as long battery life is looked at as a positive feature. Edited July 11, 2020 by m410 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkmoore Posted July 11, 2020 Share #32 Posted July 11, 2020 19 minutes ago, m410 said: Not as far as I am concerned...When the M10 was released for sale, battery life was a disappointment to many users. If battery life limits wasn't an issue, why would Leica make the change in the Q to the Q2? I believe it was/is because it is important to photographers as long battery life is looked at as a positive feature. huh? Q and M are different cameras. Strange argument. the good news for you is that you can still buy the M240, which is also an excellent camera. battery life in the M10 is perfectly fine. I carry an extra battery and you can go all day with no problem. unless of course you are machine gunning and evfing all over the place and in that case you bought the wrong camera anyway. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
helged Posted July 11, 2020 Share #33 Posted July 11, 2020 3 hours ago, dkmoore said: huh? Q and M are different cameras. Strange argument. the good news for you is that you can still buy the M240, which is also an excellent camera. battery life in the M10 is perfectly fine. I carry an extra battery and you can go all day with no problem. unless of course you are machine gunning and evfing all over the place and in that case you bought the wrong camera anyway. ... or you carry two or three batteries. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mujk Posted July 11, 2020 Share #34 Posted July 11, 2020 5 hours ago, darylgo said: Thanks for the info, I am surprised Leica would not include it in the spec sheet. How would high iso and dynamic range compare to the M10-P if this is the M10M with bayer added? For some reason Leica doesn't seem to put that much effort into producing spec sheets, which often leave out details and sometimes even contain errors. I would wait for the publication of the first tests before making a definitive judgement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom.w.bn Posted July 11, 2020 Share #35 Posted July 11, 2020 vor 7 Stunden schrieb darylgo: Level gauge and touchscreen are not mentioned in the spec sheet. Would Leica go backwards to the original M10 and leave these out? We need a David Farkas review. M10 has no level gauge? Good to know. For tripod work this is essential and the M240 has one..... M10 is out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darylgo Posted July 11, 2020 Share #36 Posted July 11, 2020 6 hours ago, dkmoore said: battery life in the M10 is perfectly fine. I carry an extra battery and you can go all day with no problem. 3 hours ago, helged said: ... or you carry two or three batteries. Not a great prospect when weight is a factor, the M10 is a power hog, I chew through batteries in several hours. For every other Leica I carry a spare just in case, with the M10 it’s mandatory. Leica removed the video because of heat issues. The M10 is a great stills camera but seriously has power and heat issues. Don’t even think of using the intervelometer and mistakenly leave live view on, it fries the camera and the lens becomes a heat sink. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
helged Posted July 11, 2020 Share #37 Posted July 11, 2020 1 hour ago, darylgo said: Not a great prospect when weight is a factor, the M10 is a power hog, I chew through batteries in several hours. For every other Leica I carry a spare just in case, with the M10 it’s mandatory. Leica removed the video because of heat issues. The M10 is a great stills camera but seriously has power and heat issues. Don’t even think of using the intervelometer and mistakenly leave live view on, it fries the camera and the lens becomes a heat sink. One of the claimed benefits of the S3 sensor is reduced heat generation. Since M10M and M10-R (presumably) use the same sensor/sensor technology as S3, heat might be a lesser problem in M10M and M10-R? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
onasj Posted July 11, 2020 Author Share #38 Posted July 11, 2020 (edited) 8 hours ago, darylgo said: Thanks for the info, I am surprised Leica would not include it in the spec sheet. How would high iso and dynamic range compare to the M10-P if this is the M10M with bayer added? Comparing the M9 vs M9 monochrome, M240 vs M246, and M10 vs M10 monochrome, we see ~0.5-1 stop of higher DR performance in the monochrome versions: https://photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR.htm#Leica M (Typ 240),Leica M Monochrom,Leica M MONOCHROM (Typ 246),Leica M9,Leica M10,Leica M10 MONOCHROM The M10 vs M10 monochrome actually has a slightly larger difference, presumably because the cropped S3 sensor in the M10-M is inherently different and better than the older M10 sensor, even beyond removal of the Bayer CFA. So I would expect the M10-R to offer 0.5-1 stop worse performance than the M10-M, which would put the DR curve of the M10-R somewhere near that of the M246, but in color. If true, this would be quite an achievement as the M246 performs very well, comparable to that of Sony's best-performing 35-mm offering, the (color) A7III: https://photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR.htm#Leica M (Typ 240),Leica M Monochrom,Leica M MONOCHROM (Typ 246),Leica M9,Leica M10,Leica M10 MONOCHROM,Sony ILCE-7M3 I've always hoped for a Leica M with a sensor that matches the best current-generation Sony 35-mm offerings— if the above speculation is correct, we will get one this coming Thursday. Edited July 11, 2020 by onasj 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted July 11, 2020 Share #39 Posted July 11, 2020 4 hours ago, onasj said: Comparing the M9 vs M9 monochrome, M240 vs M246, and M10 vs M10 monochrome, we see ~0.5-1 stop of higher DR performance in the monochrome versions: https://photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR.htm#Leica M (Typ 240),Leica M Monochrom,Leica M MONOCHROM (Typ 246),Leica M9,Leica M10,Leica M10 MONOCHROM The M10 vs M10 monochrome actually has a slightly larger difference, presumably because the cropped S3 sensor in the M10-M is inherently different and better than the older M10 sensor, even beyond removal of the Bayer CFA. So I would expect the M10-R to offer 0.5-1 stop worse performance than the M10-M, which would put the DR curve of the M10-R somewhere near that of the M246, but in color. If true, this would be quite an achievement as the M246 performs very well, comparable to that of Sony's best-performing 35-mm offering, the (color) A7III: https://photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR.htm#Leica M (Typ 240),Leica M Monochrom,Leica M MONOCHROM (Typ 246),Leica M9,Leica M10,Leica M10 MONOCHROM,Sony ILCE-7M3 I've always hoped for a Leica M with a sensor that matches the best current-generation Sony 35-mm offerings— if the above speculation is correct, we will get one this coming Thursday. Per PhotonsToPhotos, Leica M10 has already better DR than SL2 and about same DR as Sony A7rIV (except at ISO 100). I do not expect further improvements in DR. https://www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR.htm#Leica M10,Leica SL2,Sony ILCE-7RM3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkmoore Posted July 11, 2020 Share #40 Posted July 11, 2020 8 hours ago, tom.w.bn said: M10 has no level gauge? Good to know. For tripod work this is essential and the M240 has one..... M10 is out. M10P does have the level gauge and I expect it to be in the M10R but this I’m not 100%. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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