Abandoning the Leica M10

[Photon42]

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7 hours ago, evikne said:

I really want an M10-D. I think it's the most beautiful M so far. I love the wind on lever, the Leica script on the top plate, and the shutter sound. And I don't need the screen. The bottom of the screen was the first place my M10 started to be worn, and it feels unnatural to touch the screen when I hold the camera. So I would love to get rid of it.

I like to challenge myself. I mostly photograph wide open with fast lenses, even when the subject is moving, and only with the RF. I photograph completely manually, and I don't even use the light meter. A camera without a screen to sneak peek at would be the ultimate challenge to me.

"Unfortunately" I bought my M10 a little too early, before the M10-D was launched, and now I have no possibility to afford a new camera. But I would definitely make an exchange like the OP, if I got the opportunity.

If you really want an M10D and keep your eyes open, the chance will present itself eventually.

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[fenykepesz]

the M10-D let's you work like with an old film camera. it let's you - no, it invites you to think about the physics behind the picture, or needed for the picture, that you are going to capture - in advance actually.  it's a much more active and involved work style that merges art and physics in the brain of the photographer while approaching the photographic object.  i absolutely love it : no gimmick distraction whatsoever.

the only little imperfection is that power wheel on the back : Leica should have integrated the main switch into the shutter button and thumb rest tower... 

and then it could also boot a bit faster - the 1.6 seconds on my M10-D can feel like an eternity at times...

[scott kirkpatrick]

13 hours ago, IkarusJohn said:

... I emailed Stefan Daniel and suggested it to him.  Great idea, was his response.

The M10-D as released has more buttons than I would like (I actually have no idea what many of them do), but the camera is a return to the joy of photography for me.  ....

I got the sense from some of the announcement material that Stefan D has been wanting to put out an M10-D for quite a while.  And you are probably not the only person to cheer him along the way.  But "more buttons?"  There are two besides the shutter, and they are nearly invisible.  They do nothing once you are set up with the latest firmware (and there have been no updates, have there?).  I agree with your comment that lookiing at the pictures is for later...either moments later on Fotos or at home with the computer downloading from the card.  But later.

The recent Andreas K interview indicated that he had no clue at first why one would want to leave the LCD off a Leica M, but Mr. Daniel seems to have brought him around, too.

[evikne]

59 minutes ago, fenykepesz said:

the only little imperfection is that power wheel on the back : Leica should have integrated the main switch into the shutter button and thumb rest tower...

I agree with the main switch. I don't see any reason why it shouldn't stay where it is on the other M models. 

And I hope for a future model that Leica can look to PIXII and its Bluetooth 5 implementation for a much faster smartphone connection.

[Good To Be Retired]

On 7/3/2020 at 6:19 AM, Mikep996 said:

"given an opportunity to shoot a D for a couple of days, I found that I just flat LIKED the experience better.     " just really enjoyed shooting with the D"

Pretty hard to argue with that  

Come to think of it, that sounds like a pretty good thumbnail description of why I have a medium format system.

Edited July 8, 2020 by Good To Be Retired

[IkarusJohn]

2 hours ago, scott kirkpatrick said:

I got the sense from some of the announcement material that Stefan D has been wanting to put out an M10-D for quite a while.  And you are probably not the only person to cheer him along the way.  But "more buttons?"  There are two besides the shutter, and they are nearly invisible.  They do nothing once you are set up with the latest firmware (and there have been no updates, have there?).  I agree with your comment that lookiing at the pictures is for later...either moments later on Fotos or at home with the computer downloading from the card.  But later.

The recent Andreas K interview indicated that he had no clue at first why one would want to leave the LCD off a Leica M, but Mr. Daniel seems to have brought him around, too.

Oh, I’m quite sure that is right.  When the M60 was released, I know of quite a number of people (some forum members) far closer to Leica than me who were suggesting an M(240)-D.   As for the buttons, well if they largely don’t have a purpose, I would rather they weren’t there.  Thankfully, they didn’t go with the round (D button?) on the back, as proposed at one stage.

I would also have preferred the on/off switch as a collar around the shutter release.  Initially, I hated the faux wind-on thumb rest, but now I wouldn’t be without it!

[setuporg]

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On 7/3/2020 at 1:32 AM, Mikep996 said:

The D version!   

The original Leica half-case closes the LCD completely.  Although I fully agree with the idea of a D, which captured my imagination with the original Edition 60, which I now have and will never part with, I don't see the difference between M10 and M10-D as dramatic when using the half-case.  The magnetic rear door allows for an occasional chimping as a willful action, you have to initiate.  The case is very handy.  I guess the overall experience is important, but the fact you can sneak inside via FOTOS is too much for me.  The Edition 60 and the M-D are the only really screenless Ms.  I'm sad @ramarren eventually let go of his M-D, as it sounded like he'd be enjoying his forever and we'd keep arguing, occasionally, about the commemorative lugless Edition 60 vs lugful production M-D.:)

Edited July 11, 2020 by setuporg

[ramarren]

3 hours ago, setuporg said:

The original Leica half-case closes the LCD completely.  Although I fully agree with the idea of a D, which captured my imagination with the original Edition 60, which I now have and will never part with, I don't see the difference between M10 and M10-D as dramatic when using the half-case.  The magnetic rear door allows for an occasional chimping as a willful action, you have to initiate.  The case is very handy.  I guess the overall experience is important, but the fact you can sneak inside via FOTOS is too much for me.  The Edition 60 and the M-D are the only really screenless Ms.  I'm sad @ramarren eventually let go of his M-D, as it sounded like he'd be enjoying his forever and we'd keep arguing, occasionally, about the commemorative lugless Edition 60 vs lugful production M-D.:)

I have to admit that I both do and do not miss it. I miss it because it really did become my favorite M camera of all the many I've owned over the years. I don't because, as it turned out, I use the CL much more and enjoy using it more due to its versatility. And the money from the M-D helped fund the Hasselblad 907x I obtained subsequently: Now that camera I'm in love with, bowled over by, etc. 

As they say, "Equipment is transitory. Photographs endure." 

G

[setuporg]

On 7/11/2020 at 3:11 PM, ramarren said:

I have to admit that I both do and do not miss it. I miss it because it really did become my favorite M camera of all the many I've owned over the years. I don't because, as it turned out, I use the CL much more and enjoy using it more due to its versatility. And the money from the M-D helped fund the Hasselblad 907x I obtained subsequently: Now that camera I'm in love with, bowled over by, etc. 

As they say, "Equipment is transitory. Photographs endure." 

G

Congrats on the 907x!  I'm shooting X1D/X1DmkII since 2018.  How's your experience so far?  What had bowled you over?:)

I'd like to try an 503cw with CVF II (but I'd prefer a non-special edition, chrome version).  Have you tried this combo yet?

Edited July 13, 2020 by setuporg

[IkarusJohn]

I would love a 907x, particularly to mount on my SWC ...

[lb1800]

I too have just recently acquired an M10-D.

When making the buying decision, my head said get a P; my heart said get the D. 

Being the romantic sort, I got the D. 

We are still in the honeymoon period but so far we are very happy.

Being shallow, I admit that I was initially put off by its looks, or more accurately, the “film advance” lever. But now that I’ve come to realise that it’s a thumb grip merely designed with a nod to film cameras, I’m fine with it. More than fine actually. It’s great as a thumb grip (and more importantly, makes the most delicious click when toggled open and closed).

Our relationship is still quite new …and I would lose a lot if we were to divorce. But I don’t expect that to happen. At least not until they make an M10 with a bigger sensor. What? Oh….

[Jeff S]

5 hours ago, lb1800 said:

At least not until they make an M10 with a bigger sensor. What? Oh….

More MP does not mean a ‘bigger’ sensor, so continue your relationship.

Jeff

[lb1800]

4 hours ago, Jeff S said:

More MP does not mean a ‘bigger’ sensor, so continue your relationship.

Jeff

Phew!