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TL2 discontinued ? Confirmed by Sigma ?

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Did Sigma, just confirmed that TL2 is not a current camera anymore ? We kind of already knew it, through the lack of firmware update since late 2018. 

Just look at the family pictures of current L-mount products :

  • lots of lenses from Leica SL & TL ; Lumix S & Sigma DG
  • 6 cameras : Lumix S1 & S1R & S1H ; Sigma fp ; Leica SL2 & CL 

But no TL2. It is quite logical, due to the lack of the much necessary firmware update to fully use L-mount lenses with TL2. 

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16 minutes ago, nicci78 said:

Did Sigma, just confirmed that TL2 is not a current camera anymore ?

interesting..nice subtle way to kill off a lovely camera.

Edited by frame-it

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I guess that we do not have to wait for TL3 neither. It will be CL2 only, hopefully for the best.

Can't wait to see how good can be the next APS-C for Leica. Especially with all R&D focused in only one camera. Instead of the typical twin line up : X/X Vario & T/TL -> TL2 & CL

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Very subtle indeed. And I am pretty sure that the picture came from Leica. Just look how every Leica products are showcased right in the middle. 

SL2 looks like the king of the hill

Edited by nicci78

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I wish Leica would come out with a CL2-P that was full frame, but lacked video. But I think Panasonic might beat them to that.

RIP TL2...

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Looking forward to seeing how good (and hopefully small) that Panny 85mm 1.8 will be...

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vor 1 Stunde schrieb nicci78:

I guess that we do not have to wait for TL3 neither. It will be CL2 only ...

The Cl ist the TL successor since three years!
There ist absolutely no need for a new TL an we can be happy if there will be a CL successor ...

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Focusing not on what is absent, but was it present, it would appear from this group photo that the L mount by now has quite a large number of offspring. Whether it survives as a whole is another question altogether.

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5 hours ago, cp995 said:

The Cl ist the TL successor since three years!
There ist absolutely no need for a new TL an we can be happy if there will be a CL successor ...

Sadly nope. CL (November) was released alongside TL2 (September) in 2018. 
Leica even made a fancy APS-C brochure to present the 2 siblings. 
 

 

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Does the picture also infer that neither the TL2 or the SL will  receive firmware support for new lenses ?

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The average lens on this picture is HUGE. I am so happy I can use M lenses on my CL with great results.

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7 hours ago, FrozenInTime said:

Does the picture also infer that neither the TL2 or the SL will  receive firmware support for new lenses ?

SL got the firmware update in February 2020. And I think that it will continue to be supported, as long as CL and original Q are  

Support only drop for TL2 left alone since September 2018

I think that the picture shows what is « current » in the line up of L-mount. 

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11 hours ago, nicci78 said:

Sadly nope. CL (November) was released alongside TL2 (September) in 2018. 
Leica even made a fancy APS-C brochure to present the 2 siblings. 
 

 

A firmware update is to update the firmware if Leica deems it needed. It is not a vital sign of a camera being alive. It is a bit silly to link the two. 
 

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it is indeed needed in the case of TL2. To ensure full compatibility with specific functions of Sigma's and Panasonic's L-mount lenses. Such as aperture ring, push-pull manual focusing ring, manual focusing ring setup, additional buttons, etc...

CL and SL got the required updates in 2019, then again in 2020. But T, TL & TL2 not, making them second class L-mount camera. Just fully compatible with Leica TL/SL lenses only. 

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This is what is missing to T TL & TL2 cameras to be compatible with L-mount lenses from Panasonic and Sigma.

CL got 3 firmware updates. And they are required for such compatibility. 

  • CL V2.2 in April 2019
  • CL V3.1 in July 2019
  • CL V3.2 in February 2020

Please read the update notes. TL2 got none of these. Not even the very first one

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13 minutes ago, nicci78 said:

This is what is missing to T TL & TL2 cameras to be compatible with L-mount lenses from Panasonic and Sigma.

 

You may be mistaken.

My Panasonic S Pro 50 1.4 (L mount) works just fine on my old Leica T.  

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SL also got several firmware updates related to L-mount compatibility 

  • SL V3.5 in March 2019
  • SL V3.6 in August 2019
  • SL V3.7 in February 2020

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2 minutes ago, ropo54 said:

You may be mistaken.

My Panasonic S Pro 50 1.4 (L mount) works just fine on my old Leica T.  

They work, but at the basic level of compatibility. Look at the update notes for CL and SL

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Of course you can still believe that TL2 is still on life support in Leica product management mind.

But it seems to me that they already pull the plug at the end of 2018.

Zero firmware update for the T/TL/TL2 against three for CL/SL is huge clue. 

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In the meantime (since end of 2018 until today Those cameras received :

  • Q : 1 update V3.1 in February 2019
  • Q2 : 2 updates V1.1 in August 2019 + V2.0 in February 2020
  • M10 : 1 update V2.7.5.0 in September 2019
  • M typ 240 : 1 update V 2.0.6.0 in October 2019

S cameras received zero updates. But S3 were already announced a long time ago. 

Of course no update for X cameras for ages (2014)

 

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