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28 Battle, Does Cron is worth vs Elmarit? Let me explain

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Hello Everyone, 

I'm talking about one of my favourite focal lenght, 28 mm. I'm loving it for street for sure, but also for landscape.

I really want to know if for landscape purpose there any appreciable difference betwenn 28 mm elmarit and 28 mm summicron.

I mean, for landscape i usually shot at f 8 or something like that, I would like to shoot on m10, and the most important thing in this kind of photo for me is sharpness.

Is the price difference worth ? Can anyone post some landscape photos taken with both lenses?

Thank you all and have a nice day, 

Paolo

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No 1:1 direct comparisons, but would say that the 28mm summicron is the only that stays sharp into the corners on the M10. It also seems the best resolving on the CL sensor.

I owned all three Leica 28mm  lenses - Elmarit, Summicron and Summilux. It was the Elmarit that I let go to fund a M10M.

 

 

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Posted (edited)

No complaints about sharpness with the Elmarit on my M10, but i like the rendering of the Summicron better. Two thousand euros better, that is another question.

Edited by stephan54

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Assuming you are talking about the latest versions, I have not made a comparison, but have owned both at some point.

I personally prefer the rendering of the Summicron, but my guess is that you would not see a huge difference between the two at f8

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Can't seem to see significant differences at f/8 but i'm no pixel peeper.

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At aperture 8, I prefer my latest black Summaron 5.6-28 mm because of its very small size.
It makes the M10 suitable for jacket pockets again.

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First of all thank you all for your kind answer. So it seems Sharpness of summicron is better just in the corners or in open aperture. By  the way it seems for all of you the character of summicron is more likeable, but when you talk about render, do you refer at microcontrast also?

Summaron is very nice lens but actually I prefer something more flexible.

 

Paolo

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28mm is one of my favourite focal lengths. I have both lenses (2/28 Summicron ASPH v1 and 2.8/28 Elmarit-M ASPH v1).  I think there are significant differences between these two lenses. This still applies to the v2 lenses which apart from cosmetic differences render much the same except 'optimised for digital'.  They v1 & v2 28 Summicrons rendered identically when I compared them.

There are obvious differences with respect to price, size, handling, and max aperture.  The Elmarit-M ASPH is a higher contrast lens, a slightly more 'modern' look, and is perhaps sharper (or looks that way because of increased overall contrast), but I find that in some situations the contrast is harder to control.  

My personal preference in most situations, including landscapes, is the still the Summicron ASPH. Hard to describe why because such comments always drift into the subjective. I think that  its character sits between the Mandler and more modern lenses. It has less overall contrast but plenty of micro contrast (if I can describe it that way) in that the image is more subtle but detail is very well preserved.

This 7 year old thread has a lot on the Summicron. My posts start from #14

 

However, if it's 'sharpness' that you're after, and you don't need f2.0 which you shouldn't for landscape, the Elmarit-M will do the job very nicely.

The only other lens to consider is the Zeiss Biogon T* f2,8/28 ZM if you want razor sharp.

 

Edited by MarkP

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I have had the the Summicron Asph v1, the Elmarit Asph and currently (for a long time now) the Elmarit-M v4. I would suggest this lens to you. I agree with Mark P's assessment regarding the contrast of the Elmarit asph. The high contrast seems to give the appearance of sharper and the lens is small and attractive. I found the contrast too in my face at times and when I picked up the Summicron asph, it was hands down the lens I wanted to have. I later sold that one sadly to make a camera sale. It was a few years later I found the Elmarit M, which for me is like the Summicron without the additional stop.

If I ever replace or add to my Elmarit, it would be to get another Summicron, but not for landscape capability- more for versatility in slightly shallower dof. For landscape work, the Elmarit is well known for sharpness across the entire frame. And it renders beautifully, not low contrast either but it is just right. To me it feels like a Mandler design lens in the best sense.

 

 

 

Edited by DwF

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Well thx for the photos and suggestion, so it seems the elmarit is the lens I need for much "sharp" or "contrasty" landscape, while the cron is more old school.

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I have used summicron and elmarit 28 on SL before. I felt happy and fun when use elmarit more than summicron. I don’t know why.

i like to candid others and the size and weight of elmarit is very good for me.

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I  sent you a PM

13 hours ago, PaolofromItaly said:

Wow so nice! it is possible to have the raw file? Just to evaluate quality

 

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