BKimelb1 Posted March 17, 2020 Share #1 Posted March 17, 2020 Advertisement (gone after registration) I currently own a M240 that is in great condition and am happy with it. Since I do a lot of low light photography, I am very interested in trading up. Because the next generation is expected this Fall, would you wait or buy a used M10 now for the right price? I saw a good one for 5000 USD with extra batteries and am considering it. Thank you for your advice! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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a.noctilux Posted March 17, 2020 Share #2 Posted March 17, 2020 If you have the money to swap, why not. You could "win" some months or years of use. The next one after M10 would be likely more expensive. By then, you would wait even more time to reach second hand market ( if that's what you would do ) of the new M. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mediumformula Posted March 18, 2020 Share #3 Posted March 18, 2020 wait for the next model to come out and then buy an M10 when the price drops even more 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted March 18, 2020 Share #4 Posted March 18, 2020 I would not count on a new model coming in the fall, and instead use the current model lineup to decide. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.noctilux Posted March 18, 2020 Share #5 Posted March 18, 2020 (edited) I use M10 since newly launched in early 2017. nothing to complain ( well maybe battery life but second battery solves that ). This M10 is the new Classic Leica M (in digital) in size, performance ( for me 24MB is ok, so it's usable 3200/10k ISO ) declining in so many models ( M10-P, M10-D, M10 Monochrom , M10-R * ) will stay as is in the market for a while before replaced . Quite funny problem, here and now * I bet Edited March 18, 2020 by a.noctilux 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmradman Posted March 18, 2020 Share #6 Posted March 18, 2020 I am going to say major heresy here, never liked the M10 as it didn't provide option to save RAW compressed lossless files, same issue with SL601. Yes, i heard all (lame) arguments how memory is cheap, lazy software developers, lazy Leica. The new M10M and SL mk2 can do lossless compression, so it is my assumption that future Ms will be providing lossless RAW compression same as M9 and M240 in the old days. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted March 18, 2020 Share #7 Posted March 18, 2020 Advertisement (gone after registration) 3 hours ago, mmradman said: I am going to say major heresy here, never liked the M10 as it didn't provide option to save RAW compressed lossless files, same issue with SL601. Yes, i heard all (lame) arguments how memory is cheap, lazy software developers, lazy Leica. The new M10M and SL mk2 can do lossless compression, so it is my assumption that future Ms will be providing lossless RAW compression same as M9 and M240 in the old days. SL2 does not do lossless compression. M10M apparently does, but there is no choice (IMO, there does not need to be a choice). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmradman Posted March 18, 2020 Share #8 Posted March 18, 2020 3 hours ago, SrMi said: SL2 does not do lossless compression. M10M apparently does, but there is no choice (IMO, there does not need to be a choice). You are right about SL2 Raw files, I was over optimistic, madness 84Mb for a full res file, lazy Leica. At least with M10M enabling lossless compression is cool. If Leica or any other vendor wish to sell me a camera in the future having lossless compression is make/brake criteria. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tragg Posted March 20, 2020 Share #9 Posted March 20, 2020 It's just possible that you may like the the M-10 better than its successor. I'm not alone in preferring the M-3 to subsequent film cameras Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomB_tx Posted March 20, 2020 Share #10 Posted March 20, 2020 50 minutes ago, Tragg said: It's just possible that you may like the the M-10 better than its successor. I'm not alone in preferring the M-3 to subsequent film cameras Good point! I certainly preferred my M9 to the typ 240 and such - up until the M10 when Leica got it right. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted March 22, 2020 Share #11 Posted March 22, 2020 Am 17.3.2020 um 22:50 schrieb BKimelb1: I currently own a M240 that is in great condition and am happy with it. Since I do a lot of low light photography, I am very interested in trading up. Because the next generation is expected this Fall, would you wait or buy a used M10 now for the right price? I saw a good one for 5000 USD with extra batteries and am considering it. Thank you for your advice! The price for which you can buy a new M is €5900,- I think, 5000 dollar is just to much for a second hand. I would rather wait until fall and if the M11 arrives, buy it, or not but waiting I would because it's only a few months. If the M10 doesn't arrive you probably find a used M for the same price. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.noctilux Posted March 22, 2020 Share #12 Posted March 22, 2020 Hello Paulus, where we can buy new M10 for 5 900€ ? I think the M10 arrived already in early 2017 when I've purchased mine ( for more than 5 900€ ). 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted March 22, 2020 Share #13 Posted March 22, 2020 vor 8 Stunden schrieb a.noctilux: Hello Paulus, where we can buy new M10 for 5 900€ ? I think the M10 arrived already in early 2017 when I've purchased mine ( for more than 5 900€ ). I bought my m10 at my dealer’s. I mailed him, if he could sell a new one for €5900 because , i was in a shop in Germany where they did me this offer. But i rather would buy one at his shop because i’m a custumer for over 15 years. He agreed that it was possible and i bought the m10. In november 2019. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted March 22, 2020 Share #14 Posted March 22, 2020 An an M240 user i would (and do) wait. Besides 6400 iso files with less banding on the M10, i don't see significant differences with the M240 IQ wise and in LV mode together with the Visoflex 020, the M10 is still too sluggish to compete with a mere P&S mirrorless cameras. Just my 2 cents . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.noctilux Posted March 22, 2020 Share #15 Posted March 22, 2020 I second Lct that M240 can do what M10 can do in most cases. I use the two (and other Ms too) for some years now . In results, when I view my pictures, I'm not able to tell which photo from M10 or other M ( maybe not confounding with Monochrom's, that is obvious ! ). If using same lenses, the lenses own "renderings" can be there with each M. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 22, 2020 Share #16 Posted March 22, 2020 The M10 was introduced in 2017. The M240 in 2012. What makes you think that there will be an M11 in 2020? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted March 22, 2020 Share #17 Posted March 22, 2020 2 minutes ago, jaapv said: The M10 was introduced in 2017. The M240 in 2012. What makes you think that there will be an M11 in 2020? Waiting till 2020 or 2022 is still waiting. Makes no difference to me but YMMV. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 22, 2020 Share #18 Posted March 22, 2020 On 3/17/2020 at 10:50 PM, BKimelb1 said: Because the next generation is expected this Fall, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted March 22, 2020 Share #19 Posted March 22, 2020 On 3/18/2020 at 9:49 AM, mmradman said: I am going to say major heresy here, never liked the M10 as it didn't provide option to save RAW compressed lossless files, What makes you think the M10 doesn't produce compressed .DNG files? What it doesn't offer is the option to save uncompressed files. Uncompressed DNG files (16-bit envelope - 2 bytes per pixel) from 24 Mpixels would be about 48 Mbyte files. What I'm getting from my M10 (and always have) are ~30 Mbyte files - which indicates they are compressed. About 40%. They also vary in size a little bit, from 29.44 to 30.02 Mbytes. Another sign of a compression algorithm at work, adjusting compression to match content (amount of detail, noise, large areas of flat tone, etc.) That is for fresh-from-the-camera, never-opened .DNGs. Once an Adobe product (e.g. Photoshop/Camera Raw) has opened and saved a file once, they are recompressed by Adobe, to about 24 Mbytes on disk. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digger1914 Posted March 22, 2020 Share #20 Posted March 22, 2020 You would have to think that with what is going on around the world, new camera models would be delayed from their anticipated date. I went from a M240-P to the M10-P and love it. I find the form factor to be much better and I really do like the ISO wheel. Which is strange as it is something we always used to have and probably should not have lost in the first place! It ultimately depends on what your crystal ball says will be in the M11. A bigger sensor would be likely, but I am very happy with 24Mbytes. I do not produce big prints In short, I am happy to stay with the M10 until a compelling set of features drives me to change. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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