pgk Posted February 17, 2020 Share #21 Posted February 17, 2020 Advertisement (gone after registration) 18 minutes ago, lct said: A Frankenfinder with an EVF? Why not a Visoflex III? Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Be fair - that's really old technology! At least the Frankenfinder is or was recently in production. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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xrogers Posted February 17, 2020 Share #22 Posted February 17, 2020 2 hours ago, pgk said: 771g vs 660g (from Leica's specs SL and M10). Not that much heavier really. 139 x 80 x 38.5mm vs 147 x 104 x39mm (from Leica's specs SL and M10). Yes bigger but not that much. And largely down to the EVF ..... The number I've seen for an SL2 with battery is 928g (Leica publishes only weight without battery, 835g), and the M lens adapter is 70g. The SL2 is a beautiful camera, but to me it felt much bigger and heavier than an M. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted February 17, 2020 Share #23 Posted February 17, 2020 I was referring to the SL 771g without or 847g with battery according to Leica's technical specifications. I used a couple of Nikon F5s for a fair few years so most modern stuff seems quite reasonably weighted to me. The M/SL difference is there but no so vast really IMO. The SL's bulk/weight is really in its lenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosuna Posted February 19, 2020 Share #24 Posted February 19, 2020 Leica will need a much higher resolution sensor (than 24MP) for a high resolution EVF. I bet for similar specifications than SL2. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosuna Posted February 19, 2020 Share #25 Posted February 19, 2020 The M EVF camera, if the price is right, will be the high selling M camera. But, as Daniels points it, there will always be a rangefinder version. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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lct Posted February 19, 2020 Share #27 Posted February 19, 2020 Advertisement (gone after registration) On 2/17/2020 at 9:37 PM, pgk said: Be fair - that's really old technology! At least the Frankenfinder is or was recently in production. There wouldn't be more reason to use the Frankenfinder than any Visoflex on the mirrorless M which would have a built-in EVF anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcg Posted February 19, 2020 Author Share #28 Posted February 19, 2020 Might it not be possible for Leica to produce an M with a Fuji type of EVF so that you could choose between an ordinary rangefinder OVF or EVF – maybe even with a rangefinder patch in it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted February 19, 2020 Share #29 Posted February 19, 2020 11 minutes ago, lct said: There wouldn't be more reason to use the Frankenfinder than any Visoflex on the mirrorless M which would have a built-in EVF anyway. I actually liked the view through the Frankenfinder although ergonomically it did have drawbacks😉. Seriously though, one of the things I most appreciate about the RF viewfinder is the ability to see beyond the frame. Actually its one of the things that attracts me to Leica RFs as it allows predictability and for me helps with composition (once I had learned the vagaries of the framelines). I can see all the 'advantages' of an M-EVF and could see using one - but at the price its likely to be pitched if built it wouldn't make sense to buy one for the use it might get. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted February 19, 2020 Share #30 Posted February 19, 2020 32 minutes ago, rosuna said: Leica will need a much higher resolution sensor (than 24MP) for a high resolution EVF. I bet for similar specifications than SL2. Latest rumors say 24MP. Would be compatible with high rez EVFs (a la Nikon Z6) and there would be less chances to cannibalize RF sales this way. Especially if the mirrorless M has the same size as the M240 in order to fit the EVF, video (if any) and long lasting batteries. Just a guess though. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted February 19, 2020 Share #31 Posted February 19, 2020 1 minute ago, marcg said: Might it not be possible for Leica to produce an M with a Fuji type of EVF so that you could choose between an ordinary rangefinder OVF or EVF – maybe even with a rangefinder patch in it. A sort of internal 'head up display'? Sounds costly in terms of R&D and likely to cause significant problems with the lack of co-incidence of mechanical frame lines and the EVF view. A hybridisation too far? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted February 19, 2020 Share #32 Posted February 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, pgk said: I actually liked the view through the Frankenfinder although ergonomically it did have drawbacks😉. Seriously though, one of the things I most appreciate about the RF viewfinder is the ability to see beyond the frame. Actually its one of the things that attracts me to Leica RFs as it allows predictability and for me helps with composition (once I had learned the vagaries of the framelines). I can see all the 'advantages' of an M-EVF and could see using one - but at the price its likely to be pitched if built it wouldn't make sense to buy one for the use it might get. One could not see beyond the frame by definition. There are left eyes and excellent rangefinders for that. As for making no sense to buy a mirrorless camera designed for M lenses, you mean for you i guess. For me, it's the way i've been using my mirrorless cameras for 5+ years already so it is exactly the reason why i would buy a mirrorless M. Horses for courses. Jurassic Park for you, Star Trek for me . Just kidding of course as i would keep my M8.2 and M240 dinosaurs anyway . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted February 19, 2020 Share #33 Posted February 19, 2020 4 minutes ago, lct said: As for making no sense to buy a mirrorless camera designed for M lenses, you mean for you i guess. Financially I mean - assuming that as a Leica its somewhat unlikely to be as cheap as other EVFs - because it would get some, but limited, use if I bought one. I use Sony A7 series cameras currently too and although I have taken some excellent images on them I still (after several years) find the user interface to be inept and very frustrating and I do lose images as a result of it. Our relationship is coming to an end I fear. One thing I would think that Leica might get very right on an M-EVF should be the user interface - it would have no reason to be complex and Leica usually do simplistic very well. If they make an M-EVF then I see a used one being potentially possible at some point (when prices have dropped). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted February 19, 2020 Share #34 Posted February 19, 2020 20 minutes ago, marcg said: Might it not be possible for Leica to produce an M with a Fuji type of EVF so that you could choose between an ordinary rangefinder OVF or EVF – maybe even with a rangefinder patch in it. Leica said this would not be compatible with the size of M cameras. See https://www.macfilos.com/2018/10/09/2018-10-9-leica-the-l-mount-stabilisation-and-the-rangefinderless-m-camera/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcg Posted February 19, 2020 Author Share #35 Posted February 19, 2020 Yes, they did – but that was two years ago. I wonder if things have moved on at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mujk Posted February 21, 2020 Share #36 Posted February 21, 2020 On 2/19/2020 at 11:08 AM, rosuna said: Leica will need a much higher resolution sensor (than 24MP) for a high resolution EVF. I bet for similar specifications than SL2. Could you please explain the logic behind that statement? According to Leica tech specs the SL2 EVF is approx. 5,7MP, which is considerably less than 24MP. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted February 21, 2020 Share #37 Posted February 21, 2020 On 2/19/2020 at 1:08 AM, rosuna said: Leica will need a much higher resolution sensor (than 24MP) for a high resolution EVF. I bet for similar specifications than SL2. Panasonic S1 is a 24Mp camera with a 5.7MP EVF (highest resolution currently available for camera EVFs). 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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