PhotoCruiser Posted February 10, 2020 Share #161 Posted February 10, 2020 Advertisement (gone after registration) vor 23 Stunden schrieb jamiealquiza: ’ve hit what seems to be a fairly massive bug. I updated to the 2.0 firmware a few days ago before heading out on a trip. Yesterday I was out shooting, and about mid day my evf glitched out pretty bad. I didn’t think anything of it and power cycled. I later noticed that the first half of my day of photos, many of which happened to be an important moment, were gone. I shot now about 200 photos testing the new V2.0 software and did not have the problems you describe. You may try again to repeat this malfunction or use a different SD card, lost photos are mostly a bad SD card or accidentially deleting. Chris 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Leica Guy Posted February 10, 2020 Share #162 Posted February 10, 2020 On 2/9/2020 at 8:09 AM, jamiealquiza said: I’ve hit what seems to be a fairly massive bug. I updated to the 2.0 firmware a few days ago before heading out on a trip. Yesterday I was out shooting, and about mid day my evf glitched out pretty bad. I didn’t think anything of it and power cycled. I later noticed that the first half of my day of photos, many of which happened to be an important moment, were gone. As a long time Leica (and many other cameras) user, I think it’d be absolute sunken costs fallacy infused Stockholm syndrome to go with “sure, don’t update before traveling,” but I’ve *never* experienced something like this throughout all of my aggressive firmware upgrading habits. Nor have I ever wanted to chuck a camera so badly off my hotel deck. In either case, I still love this thing but Jesus do Japanese camera manufacturers have defect avoidance down so much better than these 5x cost German cameras. Also before anyone asks: I’m using a high end Sony Tough UHS-II card and am *ok* with computers (I’m a software engineer), so no mistakes there. That’s very very unfortunate. I’ve been using the 2.0 sw and haven’t experienced any problems. In fact, the opposite. It’s working great and is a big improvement over the previous version. I can only speak to the Sandisk UHS-II Cards. I use the 64GB and have had no problems. It is my opinion that the Q /Q2 are somewhat sensitive to the brand and speed of SD cards. I would document the settings and contact Leica service. Perhaps someone else had also seen your same failures. Good luck!! Dan 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamiealquiza Posted February 10, 2020 Share #163 Posted February 10, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, PhotoCruiser said: I shot now about 200 photos testing the new V2.0 software and did not have the problems you describe. You may try again to repeat this malfunction or use a different SD card, lost photos are mostly a bad SD card or accidentially deleting. Chris As mentioned in my post: "Also before anyone asks: I’m using a high end Sony Tough UHS-II card and am *ok* with computers (I’m a software engineer), so no mistakes there." And naturally with software bugs, it's not necessarily a pervasive problem; if it were to so easily hit it within 200 shots by any random person, I'm quite sure it'd have been repeatable enough to have already been caught in testing. Edited February 10, 2020 by jamiealquiza Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamiealquiza Posted February 10, 2020 Share #164 Posted February 10, 2020 1 hour ago, Leica Guy said: That’s very very unfortunate. I’ve been using the 2.0 sw and haven’t experienced any problems. In fact, the opposite. It’s working great and is a big improvement over the previous version. I can only speak to the Sandisk UHS-II Cards. I use the 64GB and have had no problems. It is my opinion that the Q /Q2 are somewhat sensitive to the brand and speed of SD cards. I would document the settings and contact Leica service. Perhaps someone else had also seen your same failures. Good luck!! Dan Overall the v2 firmware is great and the write speed with UHS-II is particularly welcomed. Also as a follow up, that's probably actually related; the photos still didn't show on my camera, but I was able to see and recover some of them in my SD recovery software. Having such a big increase in write performance almost certainly means considerable work was done on the storage bits of the firmware. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chippy_boy Posted February 10, 2020 Share #165 Posted February 10, 2020 3 hours ago, jamiealquiza said: Having such a big increase in write performance almost certainly means considerable work was done on the storage bits of the firmware. Or a simple bug removed Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alain88 Posted February 10, 2020 Share #166 Posted February 10, 2020 vor 33 Minuten schrieb Chippy_boy: Or a simple bug removed I think you have a "bug misconception". If half of your pictures are wroten in the SD, or unreadable, or need to reboot every 10 pictures: it's a bug. If a running system can be improved due to what generaly is a lack of time/money during development, it's an improvement. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reklovreklov Posted February 10, 2020 Share #167 Posted February 10, 2020 Advertisement (gone after registration) vor 6 Stunden schrieb PhotoCruiser: Everybody want his very own, very special functions but to satisfy everybodys wishes and "needs" is quite impossible. I agree if you are talking about very special functions. But that is not valid for back-button focusing: This is a common function many, even older digital cameras from different vendors have. And I assume it is not a big thing for them to implement an option to lock focus for more than one shot. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reynoldsyoung Posted February 11, 2020 Share #168 Posted February 11, 2020 Using the SanDisk 300MB/s XC II 64GB....no issues whatsoever with 2.0....wonderful improvement !! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdodington Posted February 11, 2020 Share #169 Posted February 11, 2020 Q2 firmware 2.0: i do not seem to be able to set the right wheel button to anything! function button works the same as it used to. anyone else had this problem??? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielmfrank Posted February 11, 2020 Share #170 Posted February 11, 2020 6 hours ago, reklovreklov said: I agree if you are talking about very special functions. But that is not valid for back-button focusing: This is a common function many, even older digital cameras from different vendors have. And I assume it is not a big thing for them to implement an option to lock focus for more than one shot. I figured out how to lock focus for more than one shot ... ... manual focus! I'm only half kidding. If you're really going to lock focus across multiple shots, you're going to get subject and/or camera movement. You can't really expect to hold critical focus, so you're going to use a smaller aperture to get more depth of field. At that point, even if you're not spot on with manual focus, it's not going to matter all that much. And I really think the manual focusing with this camera is quite good, and very fast to activate. Just put the camera in manual focus, set your focus distance, and you can shoot for hours without refocusing. It even maintains focus lock when the camera is turned off! There is a decent chance that the Leica designers were thinking this as well. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chippy_boy Posted February 11, 2020 Share #171 Posted February 11, 2020 (edited) 13 hours ago, Alain88 said: I think you have a "bug misconception". If half of your pictures are wroten in the SD, or unreadable, or need to reboot every 10 pictures: it's a bug. If a running system can be improved due to what generaly is a lack of time/money during development, it's an improvement. Thanks but I work in IT so I am extremely aware of what a bug is/is not. The comment was made about the significant redevelopment of the SD card driver that is evident from the performance increases. I simply make the observation that significant performance increases can alternatively be made by spotting and fixing a minor bug. This is not a difficult concept. Edited February 11, 2020 by Chippy_boy Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alain88 Posted February 11, 2020 Share #172 Posted February 11, 2020 vor 3 Stunden schrieb Chippy_boy: Thanks but I work in IT so I am extremely aware of what a bug is/is not. The comment was made about the significant redevelopment of the SD card driver that is evident from the performance increases. I simply make the observation that significant performance increases can alternatively be made by spotting and fixing a minor bug. This is not a difficult concept. I wouldn't have answer if I was not myself in this field. I don't think it's fair to let people think that they let a bug during one year of commercialisation of a product. In my opinion they deaply renewed their communication architecture with the SD, but I may be wrong. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogoforest Posted February 11, 2020 Share #173 Posted February 11, 2020 I too am using the Sony Tough UHS-II card (64GB 300R/299W MB/s) with v2.0. I've taken about 150 pictures since the upgrade and everything is running very smoothly. Cache clearance seems much quicker, but I've not measured it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chippy_boy Posted February 11, 2020 Share #174 Posted February 11, 2020 3 hours ago, Alain88 said: I wouldn't have answer if I was not myself in this field. I don't think it's fair to let people think that they let a bug during one year of commercialisation of a product. In my opinion they deaply renewed their communication architecture with the SD, but I may be wrong. So you think it is fair to suggest that Leica first released underperforming software which required a complete re-write and new architecture shortly after the first release? But to suggest there may have been a bug (newsflash: all software has bugs!) is somehow "unfair"? What a bizarre perspective. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robgo2 Posted February 11, 2020 Share #175 Posted February 11, 2020 13 hours ago, danielmfrank said: I figured out how to lock focus for more than one shot ... ... manual focus! I'm only half kidding. If you're really going to lock focus across multiple shots, you're going to get subject and/or camera movement. You can't really expect to hold critical focus, so you're going to use a smaller aperture to get more depth of field. At that point, even if you're not spot on with manual focus, it's not going to matter all that much. And I really think the manual focusing with this camera is quite good, and very fast to activate. Just put the camera in manual focus, set your focus distance, and you can shoot for hours without refocusing. It even maintains focus lock when the camera is turned off! There is a decent chance that the Leica designers were thinking this as well. Good point, but I know that I would inadvertently move the focusing ring at some point, and I might not notice it in the EVF. So, shooting for hours without refocusing would be risky for me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robgo2 Posted February 11, 2020 Share #176 Posted February 11, 2020 17 hours ago, reynoldsyoung said: Using the SanDisk 300MB/s XC II 64GB....no issues whatsoever with 2.0....wonderful improvement !! That's the same card that I am using. No problems so far, but it's still early days for me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alain88 Posted February 11, 2020 Share #177 Posted February 11, 2020 vor 37 Minuten schrieb Chippy_boy: So you think it is fair to suggest that Leica first released underperforming software which required a complete re-write and new architecture shortly after the first release? But to suggest there may have been a bug (newsflash: all software has bugs!) is somehow "unfair"? What a bizarre perspective. It's fair to say they released a working software knowing it was improvable, because the time they needed to improve it was undefined or would have push the release date of the camera behind acceptable boundary. The development manager discuss with the sales manager, they agree that the camera (as it's not a sports camera) would find a public if they release knowing the writting speed won't be good enough and won't allow to really use the 10fps. The 10fps are there anyway and the sales manager is happy with it because he'll be able to advertize on this and the development manager is happy to because he know he will deliver on time and get enough budget and time to provide a good update in the coming year. It wouldn't had been the first time I see this... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chippy_boy Posted February 11, 2020 Share #178 Posted February 11, 2020 46 minutes ago, Alain88 said: It's fair to say they released a working software knowing it was improvable, because the time they needed to improve it was undefined or would have push the release date of the camera behind acceptable boundary. The development manager discuss with the sales manager, they agree that the camera (as it's not a sports camera) would find a public if they release knowing the writting speed won't be good enough and won't allow to really use the 10fps. The 10fps are there anyway and the sales manager is happy with it because he'll be able to advertize on this and the development manager is happy to because he know he will deliver on time and get enough budget and time to provide a good update in the coming year. It wouldn't had been the first time I see this... Or maybe they just fixed a bug. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevejack Posted February 12, 2020 Share #179 Posted February 12, 2020 Really disappointed that there is no option to set the right wheel button back to ISO. That's how I've been shooting and I don't need to take my eye off the EVF to switch. What a disappointment... Now I need to use the FN button which is a pain. Leica giveth and Leica taketh away 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielmfrank Posted February 12, 2020 Share #180 Posted February 12, 2020 11 hours ago, robgo2 said: Good point, but I know that I would inadvertently move the focusing ring at some point, and I might not notice it in the EVF. So, shooting for hours without refocusing would be risky for me. Yeah, I don’t really disagree with you. Manual focus with a one-push autofocus activation is how I preferred to shoot on my Nikon years ago. Leica aren’t unaware of it as a paradigm, since you can set up the SL-series cameras that way. I think they concluded that it’s a poor match for the controls design and anticipated use cases for the Q2. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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