Leica M10 Monochrom Images

[dkmoore]

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21 minutes ago, wilfredo said:

I appreciate the images as I am a Leica MMI shooter,  and I’d like to compare them with my MMI photos.  I’m also curious to see how different the images are from my Sony shots after I do a B&W conversion shooting with my Sony A7RIII and Leica M lenses. Since this new Sensor is made by Sony, it will be interesting to compare.

Is that confirmed? (made by Sony) 

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[Tmx]

No one high contrast scene has been shown yet. The same problem as with the previous models? A „bad weather“ camera? 

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4 hours ago, FrozenInTime said:

Absolutely, Ragnar Axelsson has done volumes of superb work over the years with film M camera https://rax.is/faces-of-the-north/

https://www.leica-camera.blog/2019/11/13/icebreaker/

He’s a great guy too, on show (still?) at Wetzlar 

 

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3 hours ago, Tmx said:

No one high contrast scene has been shown yet. The same problem as with the previous models? A „bad weather“ camera? 

True enough of the images posted here, but as with the previous models, the out-of-the-image is low contrast because of the large dynamic range of the file and needs to be processed to the desired contrast and gradation. Not at all a "bad weather camera".

To see high-contrast images with the M10M,  actually you don't have to go further than the Leica Camera website. Look at this page with images by Alan Schaller: it starts with a few high-contrast images, and then scroll down to the short video — at 00:48 there is a contre-jour image in the rain, very high contrast, that could have been shot with film...or the M10, easily. I'm not in the market for the new Monochrom, but the best review I've read is by Gregory Simpson ("EGOR"), mainly a film shooter. 
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[A miller]

On 1/17/2020 at 2:01 PM, Mefty said:

Great Camera 

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I would have thought with so many MPs the highlights wouldn't blow to pieces like the light coming in from the window and that hot spot on the top of her head and on her shoulder...  Her face is perfectly exposed, and that is of course the main subject.  But you want everything else to melt away, even if that everything else is overexposed.  Here. the "everything else" is jumping up and down in the background hollering "here I am, look at me" 

[Likaleica]

9 minutes ago, Nowhereman said:

True enough of the images posted here, but as with the previous models, the out-of-the-image is low contrast because of the large dynamic range of the file and needs to be processed to the desired contrast and gradation. Not at all a "bad weather camera".

To see high-contrast images with the M10M,  actually you don't have to go further than the Leica Camera website. Look at this page with images by Alan Schaller: it starts with a few high-contrast images, and then scroll down to the short video — at 00:48 there is a contre-jour image in the rain, very high contrast, that could have been shot with film...or the M10, easily. I'm not in the market for the new Monochrom, but the best review I've read is by Gregory Simpson ("EGOR"), mainly a film shooter. 
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Many of Alan's photos that Leica has been showing, including their video, were made with his 246.  

All files from any monochrom are flat OOC.  Contrast has to be added in post processing.  The files are similar to a perfect sheet of panchromatic film, not S-shaped curves like Tri-X.  The M10M files are very malleable.

I suspect the images we have seen so far have not had much post-processing.  The RAW files of the images I posted here were much flatter before processing.  

Would be interesting to see what Lambda ("F**K the Midtones") would do with the camera.

Edited January 20, 2020 by Likaleica

[Likaleica]

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10 minutes ago, A miller said:

I would have thought with so many MPs the highlights wouldn't blow to pieces like the light coming in from the window and that hot spot on the top of her head and on her shoulder...  Her face is perfectly exposed, and that is of course the main subject.  But you want everything else to melt away, even if that everything else is overexposed.  Here. the "everything else" is jumping up and down in the background hollering "here I am, look at me" 

I don't think number of MP protects the highlights with a non-filtered sensor.  They don't have a color filter over them to block light and protect the highlights in any given channel.  This is similar with all 3 of the Monochroms.  Maybe Mefty wanted this effect?

[Likaleica]

Since this is supposed to be an image thread and we got a little off-track with the color photo above, I'll post another to try to get back on track.

50mm Apo-Summicron-M

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[A miller]

4 minutes ago, Likaleica said:

I don't think number of MP protects the highlights with a non-filtered sensor.  They don't have a color filter over them to block light and protect the highlights in any given channel.  This is similar with all 3 of the Monochroms.  Maybe Mefty wanted this effect?

Interesting, Tim.  I don't know the ins and outs of the technical details.  But the file size and dimension is not really all that huge in relation to the number of MPs.  So as a layman I just assumed that the MPs were doing something other than providing humongous file sizes and resolution.  I would have thought that there has to be technology that can render finer highlight detail in zones 7 through 9.9, rather than fall off of a cliff.  There is still a lot to be seen here and I don't want to jump to conclusions.  The Alan Schaller images are ok but seem to be very processed which if I were Leica I wouldn't want b/c it can be interpreted as a crutch.  I would have thought Leica would want to showcase images that have superbly rich tonal range - think Salgado - and not high key contrast scenes that could be seen as embracing  limitations.

Edited January 20, 2020 by A miller

[Likaleica]

This is straight OOC.  No processing.  Stars in original much better than in this posting.  Noise-free sky.  Will be a great astrophotography camera.

24mm Emar-M wide open, ISO 160 (Base ISO), 13 sec exposure

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2 minutes ago, A miller said:

Interesting, Tim.  I don't know the ins and outs of the technical details.  But the file size and dimension is not really all that huge in relation to the number of MPs.  So as a layman I just assumed that the MPs were doing something other than providing humongous file sizes and resolution.  I would have thought that there has to be technology that can render finer highlight detail in zones 7 through 9.9, rather than fall off of a cliff.

I'm not a techy either, so maybe someone else can jump in or create another thread to discuss this particular issue, but that is my understanding.

[A miller]

2 minutes ago, Likaleica said:

Will be a great astrophotography camera.

 

 

 

wow - I think you are right!

[Simon]

7 hours ago, FrozenInTime said:

Absolutely, Ragnar Axelsson has done volumes of superb work over the years with film M camera https://rax.is/faces-of-the-north/

https://www.leica-camera.blog/2019/11/13/icebreaker/

They were some of the best monochrome photos I’ve ever seen, but more importantly (for Leica) they sold the capability of the camera extremely well.

Edited January 20, 2020 by Simon

[Likaleica]

Same file as above, just pushed the LR black and white sliders some.  Again, looks better in LR than here.

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[Likaleica]

Pleiades.  Almost noise-free at ISO 160.  That's earth movement, not aberration.

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3 minutes ago, Likaleica said:

Pleiades.  Almost noise-free at ISO 160.  That's earth movement, not aberration.

 

 

I think that if you keep examining your file (in LR, of course) you will be able to discover alien life 😉

[Mefty]

vor 4 Stunden schrieb A miller:

I would have thought with so many MPs the highlights wouldn't blow to pieces like the light coming in from the window and that hot spot on the top of her head and on her shoulder...  Her face is perfectly exposed, and that is of course the main subject.  But you want everything else to melt away, even if that everything else is overexposed.  Here. the "everything else" is jumping up and down in the background hollering "here I am, look at me" 

To be honest this is my main issue with the Mono in general.

Clipping appears very soon. I had the same problems with the previous Mono.

But I am not the Mono shooter and therefore this camera is not the right for me anyway. It‘s not the camera it‘s me who could not handle it right.

I should have be more careful for the highlights here – true.

This was a shot „from the hip“, a second later this moment was gone, so no time for adjusting the 100% exposure.

I guess the Mono should be exposed to the right strictly and then pushing the shadows. A exposure which is good for digital shooters anyway, but it seems to me the colour cameras do forgive this a little bit better.

 

[elmars]

I think blown highlights are not a Monochrom problem but a digital problem. The handling of highlights is still the big advantage of film.

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[Tmx]

Generally speaking yes, you are right but it’s particularly a Monochrom issue, especially for the M2, which I owned for a couple of months. 

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Folks – this is the thread for „Leica M10 Monochrom Sample Images“.

Please stay with images and direct comments – we have a lot of other Leica M10 Monochrom threads.

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