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Anybody hear any rumours? What do you think the specs might be and would you be interested in one? How would the image be better/different than the Q or Q2 set to Monochrome settings?

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A monochrome sensor will (probably) record better quality monochrome photos similar than a color sensor and reducing the colors to grey levels.
Some will need that some will just use color and the 3rd party software solutions to create stunning monochome photos.
I was a great lover of monochrome films, but in those times there was no software to easily transform color to grey.

I personally would not buy a "castrated" camera able to record only gray levels but there will be photographers who enjoy that or have enough money to
buy a second camera just for monochrome photography.

Chris

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A monochrome sensor will record higher resolution and acuity and a more subtle tonal range, and be more sensitive. But I am not sure that it would fit the Q concept.Maybe as an (expensive) limited edition?

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Leica is a niche in the photography market nowadays. The Q is a niche inside that niche (fixed 28mm). A Monochrom Q would be a niche inside the niche of the niche. For some reason I don't think this could happen. 🤔

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I think a lot of Leica shooters would buy a monochrome Q2 if it were offered; but "a lot of Leica shooters" is a pretty small number, given that Leica has 1% of the digital camera market (or so I have read).

To complicate matters, a monochrome Q2 would eat into sales of the M246 or its successor to some degree.  This factor alone probably makes it a no go.  ☹️

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As a user of the Q and the CL, I would not buy such a camera.

Conversion to B/W from a DNG colour image, with post-processing, produces B/W images that satisfy me.

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The Q is my everyday run around camera.  Almost always with me.

My SL is my serious image maker with M glass.

Monochrome sensors deliver indescribable images.  Like JAAPV, these images have a "flavor" unlike any other.

If I choose to pursue such images, I will seek an older monochrome body for my M glass.

 It would be addition, not primary, piece of my photography.

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Helged, You are correct.  There will be a M10R and Q2M...sooner rather than later too....Watch that space.  Source:  It is not what you know, but who you know...  r/ Mark

Edited by LeicaR10

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On 12/31/2019 at 10:44 AM, jaapv said:

A monochrome sensor will record higher resolution and acuity and a more subtle tonal range, and be more sensitive. But I am not sure that it would fit the Q concept.Maybe as an (expensive) limited edition?

I rented an M246 Monochrome for one week, so I am not an expert, but I can confirm what Jaap has written. The Monochrome images have superior tonality and detail compared to what I usually get converting files from my SL, Q and CL, though the results of those conversions are usually pretty darn good. I would consider buying a Q2M, if the price is not more than half that of the M10M. I do hope that the new Monochrome sensor is better at handling highlights than the M246M. 

Edited by robgo2

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Don't  get up your hopes for that aspect. Highlights are recovered by  by Bayer cameras by interpolating the non-blown colour channels.eg., suppose your blue channel is blown, the camera will create data from the red and green channels. A monochrome camera has no colour channels...

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9 hours ago, jaapv said:

Don't  get up your hopes for that aspect. Highlights are recovered by  by Bayer cameras by interpolating the non-blown colour channels.eg., suppose your blue channel is blown, the camera will create data from the red and green channels. A monochrome camera has no colour channels...

That makes sense. The laws of physics always win.

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I don't get it...what is the advantage of a monochrome M or Q2, for that matter.  Can they produce such a high quality image that exceeds a monochrome image produced by a current model  M or Q2?  I mean SO much better that it matters?  Just curious to have your thoughts.

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vor 3 Minuten schrieb reynoldsyoung:

I mean SO much better that it matters?  Just curious to have your thoughts.

A BW photo shot with a BW sensor is better, plus from a purist view - and Leica is somehow a purist camera brand - the best photo is the perfect one one straight out of the camera.

I personally believe that with the modern photo editing software the monochrome effect can be simulated more than good enough for 90% of all BW photos,
but a B/W sensor will record some more details and it is hard to say if the cannot be simulated by software.

In the times of film the things where different as a color negative could never make a high quality BW paper photo and for this reason the BW films and papers where used,
the problem remains the same but today software help to create stunning BW photos out of RGB data.

I can understand that BW lovers would like to have a BW camera but for me this would be too much $$$ to fork out for a camera i would use not too often.

Chris

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On 1/14/2020 at 9:00 AM, LeicaR10 said:

Helged, You are correct.  There will be a M10R and Q2M...sooner rather than later too....Watch that space.  Source:  It is not what you know, but who you know...  r/ Mark

I keep hearing about this rumoured M10R. I don't suppose you know what it's supposed to be? The M10M and the M10X I've heard of, but can't think what an M10R might be.

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Colint544,  The M10R has been in the works for a while now.  Leica is backed up with production; i.e. SL2 and now M10M.  I was told the M10R should have a 47 MP sensor.  When exactly it will arrive is locked away in the Leica vault.  Not even the dealers know...just like how Apple treats its new products.  Probably just as well, they learned announcing a product that is a year away for delivery isn't a very good business model.  People forget, Leica is a small niche camera company with only 1800 employees...and all the products are hand made.  Anyways, that is what I know now.  Watch that space. r/ Mark

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28 minutes ago, LeicaR10 said:

Colint544,  The M10R has been in the works for a while now.  Leica is backed up with production; i.e. SL2 and now M10M.  I was told the M10R should have a 47 MP sensor.  When exactly it will arrive is locked away in the Leica vault.  Not even the dealers know...just like how Apple treats its new products.  Probably just as well, they learned announcing a product that is a year away for delivery isn't a very good business model.  People forget, Leica is a small niche camera company with only 1800 employees...and all the products are hand made.  Anyways, that is what I know now.  Watch that space. r/ Mark

Thank you, Mark - very helpful!

Edited by colint544

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On 12/30/2019 at 8:31 PM, 38wadcutter said:

Anybody hear any rumours? What do you think the specs might be and would you be interested in one? How would the image be better/different than the Q or Q2 set to Monochrome settings?

Given recent events [ https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/305415-leica-m10-monochrom-–-41-mp-in-black-white/ ], I think we can safely say that the Q2 monochrome ship has gone the way of the Titanic.

 

Edited by Herr Barnack

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1 hour ago, Herr Barnack said:

Given recent events [ https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/305415-leica-m10-monochrom-–-41-mp-in-black-white/ ], I think we can safely say that the Q2 monochrome ship has gone the way of the Titanic.

 

So it will be launched, but then it will sink?

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The one thing I learned about Leica especially these last 10 years, the company is full of surprises.   If you look at all the great products that have arrived in the last 10+ years; i.e. S system, Monochrom, CL, SL, M lenses...the list continues to grow and surprise.  The other thing I learned in life is:  "Never say never"...because quite often,  "never" circles back and there you are facing what you thought was gone forever with no return....same goes for Leica...  r/ Mark

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