frame-it Posted November 15, 2019 Share #21 Posted November 15, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) 22 minutes ago, zeitz said: Google tells me 3,500,000,000 smart phones are in use. If just 1% of them used Lightroom, there would be 35,000,000 Mobile Lightroom users. https://www.itu.int/en/ITU-D/Statistics/Documents/statistics/2019/Mobile_cellular_2000-2018_Jun2019.xls 😀 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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marchyman Posted November 15, 2019 Share #22 Posted November 15, 2019 I don't think Lightroom Classic will go away until the desktop version of Lightroom CC can do everything classic can do. Don't know of that will ever be the case. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted December 1, 2019 Share #23 Posted December 1, 2019 On 11/15/2019 at 11:40 PM, marchyman said: I don't think Lightroom Classic will go away until the desktop version of Lightroom CC can do everything classic can do. Don't know of that will ever be the case. The biggest thing missing, for me, is printing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jager Posted December 5, 2019 Share #24 Posted December 5, 2019 The decline started with the subscription model. Back in the day, when every release had to stand on its own merits, customers could decide whether the "added features" warranted the cost of the upgrade. Remember how excited we were when Photoshop added Layers and History? Or the first few releases of Lightroom, as that product matured? We couldn't fork over our money fast enough. But after four or five or six releases... you're the product manager for Photoshop or Lightroom and you've got a stable, mature, industry-leading product. What major new functionality do you add that will keep your customers coming back? And the answer... is that you don't. You can't think of any major new functionality, because it's all already there. You're increasingly nibbling around the edges. So what do you do? Voila! You go to a subscription model... which keeps the revenue stream intact even as you devote fewer and fewer resources to its maintenance. It's not just Adobe. Microsoft does it with their Office products. It's increasingly the model of choice for all the software companies. 'Perpetual' licenses are becoming as rare as unicorns. Cloud-based storage is just another revenue opportunity buried within that subscription model. It doesn't matter that, technically, it is an incredibly inefficient way to operate for serious photographers who are routinely generating numerous large files. That it serves Adobe (and Apple and Microsoft and Amazon and on and on...) is all that matters. Vote with your pocketbook. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted December 5, 2019 Share #25 Posted December 5, 2019 The problem with most mature software is that it is just that. There is no need to upgrade any longer as there is no new killer feature worth the upgrade. It is done. Same is true of Photoshop (the on-line version is worse than the last real version) and especially Microsoft Office which has had no new features for about 15 years. Even though, god knows, Words needs a complete re-write. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted December 6, 2019 Share #26 Posted December 6, 2019 I believe that all versions of Lightroom for computers rather than phones/tablets, use Adobe Camera Raw (ACR) as their RAW development engine in the background. This is continuously updated and new cameras appear in it very quickly after release. I wish that Phase One were as quick to add cameras, especially Leica ones, where their silly spat with Leica from a few years ago, when Leica decided to buy Sinar instead of Phase One, still impacts on adding new Leica camera profiles. HIgh time they thought of customers and buried the hatchet. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted December 6, 2019 Share #27 Posted December 6, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) I have no brief to defend Adobe, but they are still bringing in new features which I have found useful: range selection/editing, dehazing and, to a lesser extent, the Texture tool are a few. OTOH there seems to be no relation between value to the user and price. Is Fotos Pro just under half the value of Lightroom+Photoshop? I don't think so. And yet Davinci Resolve, which I am trying to learn for video editing, seems to be a bigger and more powerful package even than Photoshop, yet comes free, even to amateurs who are unlikely ever to buy the high end editing desks that can also use it. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted December 9, 2019 Share #28 Posted December 9, 2019 (edited) On 12/6/2019 at 3:35 AM, LocalHero1953 said: OTOH there seems to be no relation between value to the user and price. I see it as relative pennies for what I get... 10 bucks a month for LR Classic and Photoshop, which form the core of my processing platform, along with ImagePrint (well worth another $895 to me). Even projecting 10 years at the current price.. $1200.. I still wouldn’t come close to the thousands of dollars I used to spend on the back end of my darkroom workflow. Not to mention the front end costs, including $11k or so for a single SL prime lens with SL2. Cost/value is not my concern; rather it’s potentially dropping product support at some point and/or forcing cloud storage. With all I spend on photography (including ongoing costs for printing and framing materials and supplies), this is a minimal expense. And the product works just as I need it to work, which is worth a lot to me. I don’t need new bells and whistles every other month. Jeff Edited December 9, 2019 by Jeff S 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Richardson Posted December 9, 2019 Share #29 Posted December 9, 2019 (edited) I am in the same situation as Jeff. I run my printing studio off of Lightroom...that is my main business with tens of thousands of files from hundreds of clients. Lightroom is the best way I know of to keep it organized and working. I can store print jobs over the course of years and have people come back and produce the exact same print to finish out an edition. Meanwhile, it stays up to date with new cameras, has the best integration and offers a capture to print workflow that makes sense and works remarkably well in most cases. Sure, I would love it to be snappier, to better use system resources, and indeed, to have some of the advantages of raw converters like CaptureOne. But at the end of the day, I am glad it is there. I run a 4g mobile router which is not terrible, but certainly not speedy. I also have to pay for bandwidth. Uploading 6TB of photos (and counting) to the web and paying for it on a regular basis...no thanks. That is leaving aside the liability of putting work on the web which might sell for tens of thousands of dollars. I have one artist in particular who has solo shows in places like the MoMA, and I do not want to just toss those files up into the cloud. The security procedures of large companies seem to leave a lot to be desired if the news is any indication. Edited December 9, 2019 by Stuart Richardson 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
plasticman Posted December 12, 2019 Share #30 Posted December 12, 2019 On 12/9/2019 at 7:48 PM, Jeff S said: I see it as relative pennies for what I get... 10 bucks a month for LR Classic and Photoshop, which form the core of my processing platform,... The problem (at least in Scandinavia - not sure if it's different elsewhere) is that if you need any extra applications (I also use Illustrator) the package cost immediately jumps to around $70 per month. My main fear is there's no-one else to compete in the broader market for production apps, so I worry about the cost and support in the future - especially for desktop apps, which are gradually a lower priority for Adobe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted December 12, 2019 Share #31 Posted December 12, 2019 1 minute ago, plasticman said: The problem (at least in Scandinavia - not sure if it's different elsewhere) is that if you need any extra applications (I also use Illustrator) the package cost immediately jumps to around $70 per month. My main fear is there's no-one else to compete in the broader market for production apps, so I worry about the cost and support in the future - especially for desktop apps, which are gradually a lower priority for Adobe. I agree - I would like to learn to use InDesign for books and zines, but the cost is chunky for the amount I'd use it. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted December 12, 2019 Share #32 Posted December 12, 2019 The extra monthly charge for Acrobat is very steep. I suspect that if Adobe priced that as a more reasonable add-in to the Creative Cloud Photographer package, they would sell a lot more copies, more than enough to make up for the price drop. This would cut the sales of inferior PDF products like the pretty indifferent PDF-Pen Pro, I currently use. That seemed a considerable downgrade compared to the Acrobat X Pro I used to use but which stopped working properly, when Adobe forced you to buy the Acrobat as part of Creative Cloud if you wanted to continue. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dem331 Posted January 25, 2020 Share #33 Posted January 25, 2020 Can someone please enlighten me (no pun intended)? I have always used LR, for the last few years a monthly subscription to LR mobile. On my computer, which was old, I had a version of LR CC which I could no longer update because of my old Apple OS. I have a new iMac now , and when I installed LR it installed LR Classic, which seems to be an improved version of CC. Everything works perfectly, the desktop version, the mobile version, the filing system. So my questions. Is LR Classic the most advanced version of LR? I assume so? I want to use Cloud storage. I have uploaded to Amazon Prime cloud which is free, ok for emergency last resort backup, (if my three or four HDs in different location simultaneously corrupt), but not very user friendly to interface with LR. I am considering either the Apple Cloud or the Cloud storage version of LR. I am inclined to go with the LR version for the better interface although it is more expensive, specially since I will still need some Apple cloud for other docs. Also I have about 1TB of photos and this is the space limit in LR Cloud which sells space in 1TB chunks. I appreciate any advice. Many thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exodies Posted January 25, 2020 Share #34 Posted January 25, 2020 I think the ease of use of Lightroom’s cloud outweighs any other considerations. I have Lightroom Classic configured to download everything from the cloud so then I can tidy the cloud far more thoroughly than I would my local copies. If you do this (keep everything, rubbish and all, locally and good pictures in the cloud and locally) then I’m sure you can live within a terabyte. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted January 25, 2020 Share #35 Posted January 25, 2020 LR Classic is essentially the subscription version of the old standalone LR (perpetual license version) design, but up to date with all newly added features and current camera/lens support. LR CC may eventually catch up, but it’s still more limited. I can’t speak to cloud storage options, except that I avoid them. Jeff 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exodies Posted January 25, 2020 Share #36 Posted January 25, 2020 Of, not to. Unless you want to be eccentric. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted January 25, 2020 Share #37 Posted January 25, 2020 7 minutes ago, Exodies said: Of, not to. Unless you want to be eccentric. Merely idiomatic... https://grammarist.com/usage/speak-to/ Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exodies Posted January 25, 2020 Share #38 Posted January 25, 2020 The examples of this recent idiom in your link are an activity, the nature of which is determined by the situation. For example: The money and effort I put into maintaining storage and backups speaks to my dislike of cloud storage. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted January 25, 2020 Share #39 Posted January 25, 2020 3 minutes ago, Exodies said: The examples of this recent idiom in your link are an activity, the nature of which is determined by the situation. For example: The money and effort I put into maintaining storage and backups speaks to my dislike of cloud storage. Mine was merely shorthand for writing out speak to (the issue of) cloud storage. Fine as is... for me. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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