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1 hour ago, scott kirkpatrick said:

Has the instruction manual been put online somewhere yet?

Not that I can find.  Maybe waiting for actual sales launch.

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10 hours ago, helged said:

Only 'Technical data' and 'press release' as of now... 

No, you need to scroll down. I read (part of) the manual myself yesterday evening.

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3 hours ago, bayernfan said:

Time for me to consider the purchase of an SL1.  You've gotta love what new-gen products do to last-gen pricing. 😉

 

I am also considering this, if I can find one for a good price, to use with my "larger" M lenses

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1 hour ago, Joakim said:

am also considering this, if I can find one for a good price, to use with my "larger" M lenses

I’m selling my SL  🤓

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5 hours ago, Joakim said:

No, you need to scroll down. I read (part of) the manual myself yesterday evening.

Your link points to SL2 and SL document. You have likely read SL instructions, have you?

This is the link that shows SL2 documents only:

https://en.leica-camera.com/Service-Support/Support/Downloads?category=128327&subcategory=170157&type=&language=all

 

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Oh, my bad!  Unfortunately you can't remove incorrect stuff

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On 11/6/2019 at 9:49 AM, rsmphoto said:

Seriously, that's it?

So, they've dropped tethering? If so, sadly, that kills it for me, and possibly a bunch of others as well. 

Sounds like the Fotos app is their "solution" to the problem they've had with tethering. Not sure that's a practical answer for the needs of a studio shooter. Time will tell.

So my fears are allayed.

This from Red Dot Forum...

"Built around a 47MP CMOS sensor offering double the resolution of the SL, the SL2 features a speedy Maestro III processor, 5-axis in-body image stabilization, a top-of-the-line 5.76MP OLED EVF, larger and more detailed 3.2” touchscreen, updated Wi-Fi, dual UHS-II SD card slots, mutishot capability for enormous 187MP files, a USB 3.1 Type-C port for tethering and power, and some of the most impressive video specs yet from a hybrid mirrorless system. To name just a few. Let’s take a look at these in a bit more detail and see how the SL2 improves upon its predecessor."   

"USB 3.1 Type C

An upgrade from the SL’s USB 3.0 port, the new standard reversible connector supports charging, power, data transfer and stable tethering to a Mac or Windows PC. You can even power the camera in the field using a small powerbank or even from a V-Mount battery using a USB tap."

I'm in!

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On 11/6/2019 at 9:59 AM, SrMi said:

I thought no >40mp sensors have AA filters.

The Canon big-megapixel sensors have "null" AA filters that split the light and recombine it. That's how they can offer versions with and without AA. You'll find an explanation here:

https://www.usa.canon.com/internet/portal/us/home/explore/product-showcases/cameras-and-lenses/high-resolution-eos-5ds-vs-5dsr/

I remember reading that Sony/Nikon sensors work the same way.

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2 hours ago, rsmphoto said:

So my fears are allayed. data transfer and stable tethering to a Mac or Windows PC

My fears will be allayed when I see either native tethering with Capture One or a properly working plugin for Lightroom. 

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On ‎11‎/‎6‎/‎2019 at 12:16 PM, scott kirkpatrick said:

Has the instruction manual been put online somewhere yet?

I understand it's still being written (sort of like readme files for a software release), but it should be on-line on/before the 21st. It's possible you may not receive a printed manual with the camera, except maybe a print-to-order deal with the PDF.

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I already have mine on order with the Leica Store in SoHo, NYC. 

"A fool and his money are soon parted." (Proverbs 21:20)  How true.

Regards,
Bud James

Please check out my fine art and travel photography at www.budjames.photography or on Instagram at www.instagram.com/budjamesphoto.

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On 11/6/2019 at 11:15 PM, scott kirkpatrick said:

Arbitrage alert:  Both European SL prices, if you remove the VAT by shipping it to another country or purchasing as a visitor and getting the VAT fully refunded on exit from the EU, are less than the basic US price.  Neither is probably enough less  to be worth the trouble.  And the shelves are not overflowing.  But look at this in a year...

Seems like there is a 10% import duty added the price, before any state taxes are applied in store. Beware gauging at the airport if you are considering buying in the EU and getting a refund. The agents will take a big fat fee off your refund. They also have a minimum fee, so if you are not careful the refund agent gets more out of the refund than you do. (Although that seems unlikely in the case of the SL2.) 

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50 minutes ago, Craggs 101 said:

Seems like there is a 10% import duty added the price, before any state taxes are applied in store. Beware gauging at the airport if you are considering buying in the EU and getting a refund. The agents will take a big fat fee off your refund. They also have a minimum fee, so if you are not careful the refund agent gets more out of the refund than you do. (Although that seems unlikely in the case of the SL2.) 

I have purchased in the EU and then returned home.  I received a 100% VAT rebate, as a credit card refund from the seller, by obtaining an export document from the customs officer at the airport from which I left the EU.  The "VAT Refund" agents are in some different sort of business, and I would not recommend using them.

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On 11/6/2019 at 5:52 PM, Chaemono said:

The SL2 produces noticeably sharper images than the S1R with the same lens. Minute 4:50.

 

This guy's take on the AF is quite different to DPreview's, even though they were all at Wetzlar at the same time with the same beta-firmware cameras...

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      One thing is certain: I will definitely get the SL2, despite my continuing work with medium format. For me, the most important point is not necessarily the higher resolution. 47 megapixels in a Leica is basically great, but I still have my Hasselblad X1D. It will continue to be the first choice in the field of architecture and studio.
      What’s really intriguing to me about the SL2 is the ease and speed with which you can be on the road with these 47 megapixels. And that it also offers IBIS support. That simply is not on offer in a medium format camera. And with the comparative low price of just under €6,000, Leica has even admitted itself into a more “normal” price level. And that’s why my piggy bank has to cough up again. I just hope it’s getting fat enough.

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      Translation by Michael Evans | English version first published on Macfilos | German version available here
       
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