a.noctilux Posted November 6, 2019 Share #41 Posted November 6, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) 27 minutes ago, Cronilux said: So, what was it? Any news on that? What’s the new milestone? SL2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted November 6, 2019 Posted November 6, 2019 Hi a.noctilux, Take a look here The new Leica Milestone. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Peter Kilmister Posted November 6, 2019 Share #42 Posted November 6, 2019 @CroniluxSL2 announcement. That's it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted November 7, 2019 Author Share #43 Posted November 7, 2019 vor 8 Stunden schrieb Peter Kilmister: @CroniluxSL2 announcement. That's it. Of course, wishful thinking, that the M 11 might be the milestone is now scattered. I'm very curious if all of you think this is a Milestone and in what way. For me, I did not like the ergonomics of the SL so I might have the same problems with the SL 2. I think the M 10 is an inspiring camera to hold. I cannot say the same of the SL2 IMHO although it might be a wonderful camera in general. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viv Posted November 7, 2019 Share #44 Posted November 7, 2019 The SL2 is not a milestone. More like a millstone; 835 grams!!!! 1 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronilux Posted November 7, 2019 Share #45 Posted November 7, 2019 @Paulusit absolutely is not for me. Not interested in it. Not the reason I use Leica. Let’s hope for a real milestone in the future. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted November 7, 2019 Author Share #46 Posted November 7, 2019 " LEICA SL2 It’s your choice." I got this mail from Leica. But at the moment I have to say to them: " You don't know what you are talking about....".But maybe I don't either... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock Posted November 7, 2019 Share #47 Posted November 7, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) Perhaps it is about time to close this thread. The "milestone" is not an M10 so end of story. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted November 7, 2019 Share #48 Posted November 7, 2019 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Matlock said: Perhaps it is about time to close this thread. The "milestone" is not an M10 so end of story. Agree…SL2 is duly covered elsewhere… Nice camera anyway… as a M lover I wonder if one day they will be able to embed IBIS into a M package… could be a real significant feature for some next M.... and suspect (no scientific pretention) that it makes lot of sense if the MPx count goes further on. Edited November 7, 2019 by luigi bertolotti Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 7, 2019 Share #49 Posted November 7, 2019 IBIS will remain problematic. mechanical IBS demands space which is not there, digital IBIS requires a lot of processing and will generate heat which is a well-known M problem.. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UliWer Posted November 7, 2019 Share #50 Posted November 7, 2019 I think there was a typo in the thread's header. It should have read "millstone". 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomB_tx Posted November 7, 2019 Share #51 Posted November 7, 2019 2 hours ago, UliWer said: I think there was a typo in the thread's header. It should have read "millstone". No, Millstone is a nuclear power plant in Connecticut. The SL2 is tiny and safer by comparison, if not as useful. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havamal Posted November 9, 2019 Share #52 Posted November 9, 2019 Does anyone wish for a tri chromatic sensor in the sooner or later coming M 11? Or is everybody in for just more pixels? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukedavidkellett Posted November 10, 2019 Share #53 Posted November 10, 2019 On 11/1/2019 at 8:09 PM, Gregm61 said: Puts is a putz. He took his toys and left the room pouting. No missing trying to read 10,000 word, one paragraph manifestos for me... I could not agree more! The guy has an interesting view on photography one that I don’t share, and I’m incredible interested technically but his work is close to insanity. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukedavidkellett Posted November 10, 2019 Share #54 Posted November 10, 2019 On 11/1/2019 at 8:09 PM, Gregm61 said: Puts is a putz. He took his toys and left the room pouting. No missing trying to read 10,000 word, one paragraph manifestos for me... I could not agree more! The guy has an interesting view on photography one that I don’t share, and I’m incredible interested technically but his work is close to insanity. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Barnack Posted November 10, 2019 Share #55 Posted November 10, 2019 (edited) The SL2 is a nice camera with several improvements compared to the SL. Maybe this is not an accurate assessment of the SL2, but I think of it as a compact version of the S3. Not having a diamond mine in my back yard (a hideous oversight on the part of The Fates), I will be sticking with the M system and Q2. Edited November 10, 2019 by Herr Barnack Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted November 10, 2019 Author Share #56 Posted November 10, 2019 vor 5 Stunden schrieb lukedavidkellett: I could not agree more! The guy has an interesting view on photography one that I don’t share, and I’m incredible interested technically but his work is close to insanity. Could you please explain, in what way his work is close to insanity? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukedavidkellett Posted November 10, 2019 Share #57 Posted November 10, 2019 2 hours ago, Paulus said: Could you please explain, in what way his work is close to insanity? Sure I’d be happy to. This is his latest article when he left. https://photo.imx.nl/blog/ I consider it a rant of technical jargon that serves no helpful purpose. He repeats this type of article and ‘discussion’ continuously. The definition of insanity is according to Albert Einstein I believe is: “doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result” He basically holds the same non altering opinion or view point on the photographic industry (Leica) throughout his career without the ability to, adapt, change, consider other view points or more importantly provide value to the community or Leica outside of technical discussion that can only really be equated to math analysis. Math and science are important in photography, without them we wouldn’t have our craft, but they are tools to craft great images, you make a lens to help make great images not just create it to be mathematically perfect. Peter Karbe is a great example of someone who provides incredible math/science/technical outlook yet stays focused on the image and the final use. With all this being said it’s my subjective opinion not fact. I really dislike how he has gone about leaving and airing his dirty laundry. That is probably one of the reasons why I am being more critical than normal. But seriously if you like that type of article I’d love to know why or what you get out of it? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted November 10, 2019 Author Share #58 Posted November 10, 2019 vor 3 Stunden schrieb lukedavidkellett: Sure I’d be happy to. This is his latest article when he left. https://photo.imx.nl/blog/ I consider it a rant of technical jargon that serves no helpful purpose. He repeats this type of article and ‘discussion’ continuously. The definition of insanity is according to Albert Einstein I believe is: “doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result” He basically holds the same non altering opinion or view point on the photographic industry (Leica) throughout his career without the ability to, adapt, change, consider other view points or more importantly provide value to the community or Leica outside of technical discussion that can only really be equated to math analysis. Math and science are important in photography, without them we wouldn’t have our craft, but they are tools to craft great images, you make a lens to help make great images not just create it to be mathematically perfect. Peter Karbe is a great example of someone who provides incredible math/science/technical outlook yet stays focused on the image and the final use. With all this being said it’s my subjective opinion not fact. I really dislike how he has gone about leaving and airing his dirty laundry. That is probably one of the reasons why I am being more critical than normal. But seriously if you like that type of article I’d love to know why or what you get out of it? I worked a few years with Erwin. I don't believe there is any hint of insanity in his approach to testing. The books and tests he writes, are good enough for me and a lot of readers. Personally I do not understand all he writes, but that could be my own inadequacy in the matter. I also have difficulties understanding Einsteins Quantum Theory. For me, I would not call a person and his actions "close to insane"....of course it's a subjective opinion, but IMHO also disrespectful. 2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RexGig0 Posted November 10, 2019 Share #59 Posted November 10, 2019 The technical specifications of the SL2 are quite wonderful and interesting, to me. I may not be able to justify buying deeply into the SL system, but the SL2 may be a good way to use my Leica-R lenses, some of my Leica-M lenses, and perhaps some of my SLR lenses, with adapters, on a camera body with some very interesting capabilities. Or, I may never buy any Leica camera other than M-Mount. Regardless, I am glad to know that such a wonderful beast as the SL2 exists, and wish/hope for great success of the SL line. A healthy SL line helps the entire Leica enterprise remain healthy. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
otto.f Posted November 10, 2019 Share #60 Posted November 10, 2019 6 hours ago, lukedavidkellett said: technical jargon that serves no helpful purpose Have you thought about the possibility that you don’t understand the fysics underlying his reasoning? 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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