Herr Barnack Posted November 1, 2019 Share #1 Posted November 1, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) The Q2 has a 47mp sensor, now the upcoming M10 Monochrome will have a 41mp sensor. The M11 and the next generation SL will probably have the Q2's 47mp sensor, too. What a great time to be a Leica photographer! Now if we can just find a way to circumvent that pesky import tariff... https://leicarumors.com/2019/08/28/the-upcoming-leica-m10m-monochrom-camera-is-rumored-to-have-a-new-41-42mp-sensor.aspx/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted November 1, 2019 Posted November 1, 2019 Hi Herr Barnack, Take a look here Coming in 2020: M10 Monochrome with 41mp sensor. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
jaapv Posted November 2, 2019 Share #2 Posted November 2, 2019 On 11/1/2019 at 7:17 AM, Herr Barnack said: ! Now if we can just find a way to circumvent that pesky import tariff... https://www.cheaptickets.com/Flight-Information?offerToken=v5-sos-63eed8de43a743fda8ed798361d07c25-0-0-1~2.S~AQoECJ2lBBIHCNQEEA8YWCAHIAEgDCANIAkoAlIEvPwBAFgCcAA~AQojCiEIxLIBEgQ3NzAwGKlRIICTASjR074BMPDWvgE4WEAAWAEKIwohCMSyARIENzcwMRiAkwEgqVEo99e-ATDm274BOFFAAFgBEgoIARABGAEqAkRZGAEiBAgBEAEoAigDKAQwAQ&originalPrice=485.42¤cy=USD&adults=1&seniors=0&infantInLap=true&childAges=&trip=RoundTrip&cabinClass=coach&nonstopOnly=false&refundableFlightsOnly=false&legs[0].departureAirport=NYC&legs[0].arrivalAirport=AMS&legs[0].departureDate=2019-12-10&legs[1].departureAirport=AMS&legs[1].arrivalAirport=NYC&legs[1].departureDate=2019-12-10&rfrr=&superlativeMessages[0]=BV,CP,ST&superlativeMessages[1]=BV,CP,ST&udpDisplayMode=regular 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Barnack Posted November 4, 2019 Author Share #3 Posted November 4, 2019 (edited) $485 American has got to be less than the tariffs will be... 😎 Edited November 4, 2019 by Herr Barnack Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmx_2 Posted November 4, 2019 Share #4 Posted November 4, 2019 1 minute ago, Herr Barnack said: $485 American has got to be less than the tariffs will be... 😎 We are looking forward to your visits (and money ) 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 4, 2019 Share #5 Posted November 4, 2019 Even better, you can buy tax-free Just order a camera for pickup at Capi in the Schiphol duty-free area. They don't list Leica any more, but they used to be a dealer. I'm sure they would be happy to reserve a camera for you. That will save you 21% over the European RSP. You won't even have to leave the airport. Otherwise, the Leica Store Lisse is 30 minutes from Schiphol. https://www.capi.com/location/capi-amsterdam-airport-schiphol/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
muah Posted November 4, 2019 Share #6 Posted November 4, 2019 small site note, one does not get full 21% refund at Capi as they use Global blue and they take certain percent service charges. use online GlobalBlue calculator to do a check how much you can get back. Kameraexpress does full 21% refund but they impose a EUR25 processing fees. So all good if you buy big ticket items. They do require you to post back to them a Custom stamped invoice to process. best to purchase from Frankfurt-Leica as they will give you full tax back if you have an account for them to transfer to. just sharing my experiences. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ELAN Posted November 4, 2019 Share #7 Posted November 4, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) 2 hours ago, muah said: best to purchase from Frankfurt-Leica as they will give you full tax back if you have an account for them to transfer to. Leica Frankfurt requires a minimum 10,000 Euro purchase for a full in-store tax refund. Same with Leica Rome. In Rome if your purchase is less than 10K you can walk across the street to the Global Blue lounge and get your non-full refund right there. In the airport you just need to show customs your goods and stamp the form (without standing in the long GB line). Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted November 4, 2019 Share #8 Posted November 4, 2019 (edited) Discussion already here, with an even more recent Rumors confirmation... And, so far, the tariffs apply to lenses, not cameras. Jeff Edited November 4, 2019 by Jeff S Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 4, 2019 Share #9 Posted November 4, 2019 2 hours ago, muah said: small site note, one does not get full 21% refund at Capi as they use Global blue and they take certain percent service charges. use online GlobalBlue calculator to do a check how much you can get back. Kameraexpress does full 21% refund but they impose a EUR25 processing fees. So all good if you buy big ticket items. They do require you to post back to them a Custom stamped invoice to process. best to purchase from Frankfurt-Leica as they will give you full tax back if you have an account for them to transfer to. just sharing my experiences. Purchases are directly tax-free if you buy inside the tax-free zone in my experience. You only need to show your boarding pass. Note that Capi has a taxed shop in the outside shopping mall of Schiphol as well. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
muah Posted November 4, 2019 Share #10 Posted November 4, 2019 I never shopped in Caspi, at least in Schiphol and Frankfurt. Prices are high even after tax refund. Saying that it maybe still cheaper than at some places. Just do your research before impulse purchase, that is what they prey upon. Especially there is no comparison shops in the airport. 😃 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mirekti Posted November 4, 2019 Share #11 Posted November 4, 2019 What about M11, what would be the due date for it, 2022? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
muah Posted November 4, 2019 Share #12 Posted November 4, 2019 4 hours ago, ELAN said: Leica Frankfurt requires a minimum 10,000 Euro purchase for a full in-store tax refund. Same with Leica Rome. In Rome if your purchase is less than 10K you can walk across the street to the Global Blue lounge and get your non-full refund right there. In the airport you just need to show customs your goods and stamp the form (without standing in the long GB line). please do not tell my wife. I had 2 refunds! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted November 4, 2019 Share #13 Posted November 4, 2019 2 hours ago, mirekti said: What about M11, what would be the due date for it, 2022? Only Leica knows, but 4 year cycles for last two iterations would point to January, 2021 intro. Jeff Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Barnack Posted November 4, 2019 Author Share #14 Posted November 4, 2019 The M11 is starting to seem like the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow - always chasing it, never catching it. 🙄 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted November 5, 2019 Share #15 Posted November 5, 2019 What’s to chase? Just the next camera between the already terrific M10 and, hopefully, an M12. And after the M9 (Sept ‘09), M240 (Sept ‘12), M10 (Jan ‘17). As further indication of Leica product cycles, the SL2, likely emerging this week, will be 4 years from SL launch in Oct 2015. The S3 is the outlier, now projected next Spring, close to 5 years from S007 launch. Jeff Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oka Posted November 10, 2019 Share #16 Posted November 10, 2019 Just read the excellent comparison from reid review about high iso capabilities on SL2. Personally I don't care about the high pixel count IF it can't handle the high iso better than the current 24mpx sensors. Many current M lenses can't handle such resolution and M system is not usually used on situations where you need high pixel count (SL system is much practical on those). Thought for Monochrome, it makes sense as it has already much higher iso capabilities. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosuna Posted November 10, 2019 Share #17 Posted November 10, 2019 1 hour ago, oka said: Just read the excellent comparison from reid review about high iso capabilities on SL2. Oka, what are the conclusions? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oka Posted November 11, 2019 Share #18 Posted November 11, 2019 2 hours ago, rosuna said: Oka, what are the conclusions? In short, it’s same as Sony’s latest highres model. On high iso 4-5 years old cameras are still better on noise. ...which is bit shame. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdemeyer Posted November 11, 2019 Share #19 Posted November 11, 2019 1 hour ago, oka said: In short, it’s same as Sony’s latest highres model. On high iso 4-5 years old cameras are still better on noise. ...which is bit shame. For this to be a helpful statement it needs a lot more detail. Is it saying that today’s “high res” camera has poorer high-iso noise performance at equal resolution to a prior generation model? Unless one specifies and corrects for resolution, physics suggests poorer s/n (for some types of noise) for higher resolution. So are people just expecting that resolution will increase at constant sensor size without increasing pixel-level noise? That’s probably, shall we say, optimistic. Appreciate more clarity on this. Thanks! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke_Miller Posted November 11, 2019 Share #20 Posted November 11, 2019 10 hours ago, mdemeyer said: So are people just expecting that resolution will increase at constant sensor size without increasing pixel-level noise? That’s probably, shall we say, optimistic. When I started shooting with my 36 mpx D810, I was dismayed by noise at ISO levels that were clean on my lower resolution bodies. Eventually I learned I could get the same ISO performance as the lower resolution sensors if I re-sized the D810 images to match their sensor resolution. Same with the 45 mpx D850 I currently shoot. I see the modern high-rez bodies as dual purpose machines. Beautiful, large, and highly detailed images in good light. And very good high ISO performance in low light (with resizing). My D810 and D850 high ISO shots are as noise free as those from my D5 at the same resolution. The high resolution bodies are more revealing of camera shake. So when hand held I find I need higher shutter speeds than with lower resolution bodies. In good light this is not an issue and in low light , when higher shutter speed may not be possible, the slight blur from camera motion tends to disappear (along with ISO noise) with re-sizing. 2 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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