TomB_tx Posted March 10, 2020 Share #41 Posted March 10, 2020 Advertisement (gone after registration) 5 hours ago, AndreasG said: I am in the lucky situation to own both cameras - M4-P and M6, they are still now, and this is 30 years after I bought them, great and reliable cameras. But I need to admit that @mnutzer above is right, with the built in light meter of the M6 you are faster compared with the handling of the MR-4 Leicameter or another external light meter. Agreed. Bought my M4 in 1968 & M6 in 1985. My heart is with the M4, but I usually reach for the M6. I also like my M5, but the M6 meter readout is much faster to use in all kinds of lighting. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bags27 Posted March 10, 2020 Share #42 Posted March 10, 2020 (edited) I've been using the M4-P without the Leicameter (I broke down and just bought one: arriving later this week). I've used an iphone app to get a sense of light. But really, on a sunny day: ISO 100 f/8 1/500; adjust to taste. One senses that there's a fall-off of 2-3 f/stops in shade; that dawn and twilight need more attention, as does sudden cloud cover. But all in all, this is the way I used to shoot when I was a kid, and I'm really enjoying being unteathered from electronics. Edited March 10, 2020 by bags27 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BradS Posted March 12, 2020 Share #43 Posted March 12, 2020 I'm late to the conversation. Perhaps, the OP has already made a decision...IDK. I have both the M6 and M4-P and to me, they're the same camera. One with a light meter and one without. Sure, there are a few obvious cosmetic differences but these are insignificant. The only real difference between them is the light meter....and the price. So I guess you have to ask yourself, is that built in light meter worth the roughly, $800~$1000 price difference? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reini Posted March 12, 2020 Share #44 Posted March 12, 2020 I love my M4-P. Has all what i need. All framelines for all lenses ( they are very thin) Near the M3 it feels like a lightweight. No worry about zinc problems. The viewfinder for me is big enough. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BradS Posted March 12, 2020 Share #45 Posted March 12, 2020 Zinc problems? What are those? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reini Posted March 12, 2020 Share #46 Posted March 12, 2020 vor 2 Minuten schrieb BradS: Zinc problems? What are those? The M6 may have. https://www.photo.net/discuss/threads/bubbles-on-top-plate-m6.258770/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomB_tx Posted March 12, 2020 Share #47 Posted March 12, 2020 Advertisement (gone after registration) 16 minutes ago, BradS said: Zinc problems? What are those? I’ve had my M6 since 1985, and an R4 (also zinc top plate) longer than that. Both have had a lot of use, and no sign of any finish issues. I think the worry about zinc parts is greatly overblown. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BradS Posted March 12, 2020 Share #48 Posted March 12, 2020 15 minutes ago, Reini said: The M6 may have. https://www.photo.net/discuss/threads/bubbles-on-top-plate-m6.258770/ Seems easy enough to avoid. Just don't buy one that has bubbles or that looks like it was found at the bottom of a pond 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reini Posted March 12, 2020 Share #49 Posted March 12, 2020 I wanted an M6 first and then I saw the bubbles ... But there should also be some without bubbles. I also liked M4-P better because I wanted a black Analog M. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianman Posted March 12, 2020 Share #50 Posted March 12, 2020 1 hour ago, Reini said: I also liked M4-P better because I wanted a black Analog M. What do you mean? Both M6 and M4-P were available in black and chrome finish. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reini Posted March 12, 2020 Share #51 Posted March 12, 2020 vor 33 Minuten schrieb ianman: What do you mean? Both M6 and M4-P were available in black and chrome finish. Yes I know. 😉 In addition, the M4-p is usually much cheaper. When you buy something you look at different components.. 🤔 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted March 12, 2020 Share #52 Posted March 12, 2020 Just noticed this M4-P for sale from a dealer I've bought from in the past: https://vintageclassiccamera.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=4&products_id=7020 looks in beautiful condition. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BradS Posted March 12, 2020 Share #53 Posted March 12, 2020 My black M4-P has a small cluster of tiny bubbles near the shutter release button....amazingly, I've never noticed any effect on the the photos made with the camera. They just do not show up on the film ! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reini Posted March 12, 2020 Share #54 Posted March 12, 2020 vor 22 Minuten schrieb pgk: I've bought from in the past I also paid that much recently. Including fresh Wetzlar Leica service with voucher worth 400 euros. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianman Posted March 12, 2020 Share #55 Posted March 12, 2020 33 minutes ago, Reini said: Yes I know. 😉 In addition, the M4-p is usually much cheaper. When you buy something you look at different components.. 🤔 I don't understand, how does that relate to: 2 hours ago, Reini said: I also liked M4-P better because I wanted a black Analog M. ?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reini Posted March 12, 2020 Share #56 Posted March 12, 2020 Simple: An analog Leica M that is black, a little cheaper, has no electronics and therefore fulfills my wishes. Sorry if my bad english is not very understandable. 😌 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndreasG Posted March 12, 2020 Share #57 Posted March 12, 2020 vor 1 Stunde schrieb pgk: Just noticed this M4-P for sale from a dealer I've bought from in the past: https://vintageclassiccamera.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=4&products_id=7020 looks in beautiful condition. Seems to be a fair and realistic offer, the camera really looks to be in excellent condition! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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