danieldouloslee Posted September 16, 2019 Share #1 Posted September 16, 2019 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) I have the opportunity of upgrading to the M10-P for $1,500 from the M10. There are no known issues. Is it worth the upgrade? I am sure others say it is ultimately up to me to decide this, but wanted to know if the M10-P shutter alone is worth the upgrade (and I am aware resale value on P models are much, much better). Or, if there is a way to dampen the M10's shutter? Edited September 16, 2019 by danieldouloslee Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted September 16, 2019 Posted September 16, 2019 Hi danieldouloslee, Take a look here LEICA M10 to M10-P Upgrade..or ways to dampen M10's shutter. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
jaapv Posted September 16, 2019 Share #2 Posted September 16, 2019 Dampen by using a half-case. Even better: a blimp: http://www.lucadibartolo.net/site/e-shop/camera-blimp-english-version.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reciprocity Posted September 16, 2019 Share #3 Posted September 16, 2019 Dampening the M10 shutter: 1. Bath Towel wrapped around it. 2. Sound blimp 3. Pay Leica $3,000 and wait weeks for it to become an M10-P I just sold mine and bought the M10-P This is a pretty good comparison: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FSV9Jp3Xbo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted September 16, 2019 Share #4 Posted September 16, 2019 Poke it out of there with a screwdriver. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
danieldouloslee Posted September 16, 2019 Author Share #5 Posted September 16, 2019 (edited) 🤣🤣🤣🤣 I have also dunked it underwater and it seems to have muffled the noise. Thanks guys, I appreciate the tips and pointers! Edited September 16, 2019 by danieldouloslee 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
derleicaman Posted September 16, 2019 Share #6 Posted September 16, 2019 3 hours ago, danieldouloslee said: I have the opportunity of upgrading to the M10-P for $1,500 from the M10. There are no known issues. Is it worth the upgrade? I am sure others say it is ultimately up to me to decide this, but wanted to know if the M10-P shutter alone is worth the upgrade (and I am aware resale value on P models are much, much better). Or, if there is a way to dampen the M10's shutter? If you can get the full upgrade for $1,500 go for it. If you are not aware, there are two upgrades available. Engraved top plate and touch screen is $ 1,300. The full upgrade including the silent shutter is $ 3,000. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
otto.f Posted September 16, 2019 Share #7 Posted September 16, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) If I loved the M10 I would not be able to resist this offer. I know the sound of the shutter of the M10P and it is almost unbelievable that this sound is still mechanic and not electronic. It is not just the beauty of the sound, but it is very functional in the first place. Especially for theatre photography and in combination with the higher ISO’s in the M10 only natural. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted September 16, 2019 Share #8 Posted September 16, 2019 4 hours ago, danieldouloslee said: I have also dunked it underwater and it seems to have muffled the noise. Dunking it in molasses muffles the sound even more. Of course your subject needs to be okay with being dunked in molasses too ... Pete. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flu Posted September 17, 2019 Share #9 Posted September 17, 2019 LOL! You can also wear noise cancellation over the ear headphones. That should do it! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted September 17, 2019 Share #10 Posted September 17, 2019 $1,500 (!) when you can instead feign a cough as you press the shutter for free? If you are concerned about 'authenticity' and your cough sounding contrived drop me a pm and I'll send you some cold germs. Clearing the throat also works to mask the shutter sound but it can sound disapproving depending on the situation. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 17, 2019 Share #11 Posted September 17, 2019 Why not get one of the Leica models that offer an electronic shutter? An SL, or CL if you can adapt to the crop (I found it easy) can be completely silent. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
budjames Posted September 17, 2019 Share #12 Posted September 17, 2019 I have two M10s. After dinging the top plate of one of them, I sent it to Leica for the M1oP conversion. The quote to replace the top plate was $1,000, so I sprung for the conversion. My converted M10P was returned about 2 months ago. I love the quiet shutter and electronic level. The sound difference is significant. I thought that the M10 was quiet before shooting with the M10P. I looked at trading in an M10 for a new M10P, but the net cost was more expensive than the conversion. Regards, Bud James Please check out my fine art and travel photography at www.budjames.photography or on Instagram at www.instagram.com/budjamesphoto. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
indergaard Posted September 17, 2019 Share #13 Posted September 17, 2019 (edited) 9 hours ago, jaapv said: Why not get one of the Leica models that offer an electronic shutter? An SL, or CL if you can adapt to the crop (I found it easy) can be completely silent. They don't offer fast enough sensor read-out speeds. You will get rolling shutter (bent golfclubs, poles, and anything and everything that moves quickly will be deformed). A secondary trait thanks to the slow read-out speed is also the sensitivity to severe banding under artificial light. The only camera that pulls off the "electronic shutter" is the Sony A9. In most other cameras the use-case for the electronic shutter is very limited, borderline gimmicky. The A9 is a cracking camera that I wouldn't consider. I'd rather use the M10-P which offers nearly the same effect but without the bad side-effects of an electronic shutter with a slow read-out speed. Edited September 17, 2019 by indergaard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reciprocity Posted September 18, 2019 Share #14 Posted September 18, 2019 12 hours ago, indergaard said: The only camera that pulls off the "electronic shutter" is the Sony A9. In most other cameras the use-case for the electronic shutter is very limited, borderline gimmicky. I have about 110,000 frames with a pair of Nikon Z6's and one Z7 and I am very much able to use the electronic shutter in a great variety of situations that include people not being still. I'm not having any issues like the above and instead, find the use of it truly revolutionary in discreet and quite genres. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 18, 2019 Share #15 Posted September 18, 2019 13 hours ago, indergaard said: They don't offer fast enough sensor read-out speeds. You will get rolling shutter (bent golfclubs, poles, and anything and everything that moves quickly will be deformed). A secondary trait thanks to the slow read-out speed is also the sensitivity to severe banding under artificial light. The only camera that pulls off the "electronic shutter" is the Sony A9. In most other cameras the use-case for the electronic shutter is very limited, borderline gimmicky. The A9 is a cracking camera that I wouldn't consider. I'd rather use the M10-P which offers nearly the same effect but without the bad side-effects of an electronic shutter with a slow read-out speed. I can only provoke rolling shutter effects on very fast moving objects like airplane propellers, both on the CL and Panasonic GX8. In circumstances where one would need an electronic shutter for silence, like for instance a theater performance or in a church, it is not very likely that there would be aircraft or formula1 cars at full speed present. A matter of using the feature when needed , not as a permanent setting. Yes. LED light will provoke banding - also on the A9. Fortunately theater lighting is usually incandescent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edax Posted September 18, 2019 Share #16 Posted September 18, 2019 For as long a mechanical shutter is needed in certain cases a near-silent, vibration-less mechanical shutter that can be used under all circumstances has the huge advantage that it doesn’t need a menu setting, so it cannot be set wrong. Nothing to fiddle with. As simple as possible, but not simpler than that. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viv Posted September 18, 2019 Share #17 Posted September 18, 2019 If you really need a silent shutter, get the upgrade. For my type of photography it would not worth the expense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwesi Posted September 18, 2019 Share #18 Posted September 18, 2019 On 9/16/2019 at 9:38 AM, danieldouloslee said: I have the opportunity of upgrading to the M10-P for $1,500 from the M10. There are no known issues. Is it worth the upgrade? I am sure others say it is ultimately up to me to decide this, but wanted to know if the M10-P shutter alone is worth the upgrade (and I am aware resale value on P models are much, much better). Or, if there is a way to dampen the M10's shutter? Short answer - NO, the shutter sound alone is not reason enough for the upgrade. The M10-P is does not have a silent shutter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Kilmister Posted September 18, 2019 Share #19 Posted September 18, 2019 Agreed, the M10-P does not have a silent shutter. However, it is the quietest shutter that Leica has produced in any digital camera. It is so quiet that I bought one to replace my noisy m240-P. It is so quiet that most people don't hear the shutter when being photographed, and yet there is the confirming 'click' heard by me, when taking a shot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
otto.f Posted September 19, 2019 Share #20 Posted September 19, 2019 Tha 7 hours ago, Peter Kilmister said: However, it is the quietest shutter that Leica has produced in any digital camera It is the quietest shutter of all M’s since 1954 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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