doctorlol Posted August 1, 2007 Share #1 Posted August 1, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Digilux 2, and no prospect of getting my camera back in a realistic time frame! My R8 is beautiful, but will be redundant thanks to the inept way Leica plan their future. Hence after much research I have bought into the Nikon dSLR programme. BTW look at the website Nikonians for coverage. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Annie135 Posted August 2, 2007 Share #2 Posted August 2, 2007 Thing is you are so right. I use a re-sensored D2 and it's a delight. But I would like to be able to use some more compact prime lenses. The D3 came along, alright but not to a very enthusiastic reception and it would be a pain in the butt with manual lenses. So we have the M8, sorry, too expensive by half. The Epson is discontinued so very little alternative other than the one you have chosen. I did the same, D200 a Nikon 12-24mm and a clutch of primes. Very good results trouble is I just don't like the camera.....no soul. Brian Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajthornbury Posted August 2, 2007 Share #3 Posted August 2, 2007 I had a similar story on another thread. I too didn't relish waiting for ever with out a camera when my D2 went back in June. The D3 is too big and expensive. I have just bought an Olympus E410. It's a delightful little 4/3 DSLR, results so far are just as good as the D2. Alan Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tummydoc Posted August 2, 2007 Share #4 Posted August 2, 2007 I am a Leica collector in a grand way. I have an M8, my third one because the first two were defective. I still have the occasional alarming glitch. It permits me to toy with my extensive lens armamentarium however it is my D200 that I bring on holiday because I simply don't trust Leica product manufactured during the last two decades. Before the D200 (which has been flawless) I had a D70 (also flawless). Past the Leicaflex SL2 I have never had any interest in Leica's reflexes, however I did have a look at the DMR in the beginning. It was Lady Godiva, and the R9 was the horse Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgcd Posted August 2, 2007 Share #5 Posted August 2, 2007 What is truly humourous here is that the DMR is a resounding success, both technically and commercially. It's difficult to have a balanced view of Leica's plan for the R8 unless you actually have used one IMO. Sorry, I cannot subscribe to this disinformation. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annie135 Posted August 2, 2007 Share #6 Posted August 2, 2007 The DMR a commercial success? I thought they stopped making them as soon as 1500 had rolled off the line. Leica started to go downhill when the M4-2 was introduced. They have since gone someway to restoring their reputation but within the last four years I have had a M6 TTL jam, a Tri -Elmar fall to pieces and a D2 expire. In the last twenty years I have owned 2x Nikon F3HP, 2xFM2, a D100, a D70s and a D200 and numerous lenses. Problems? None. On the other hand I have owned a 111g for forty years, it has been CLA'd once and is still as smooth as the day it came out of thefactory....ah theybuilt them with pride in those days. Brian. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
S. Wong Posted August 2, 2007 Share #7 Posted August 2, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) I would say it's not fair to compare the D200 to the R(8/9) + DMR 1. They are very different sizes & weights. I for one would love to try it, but I think if I was really going to use them, that 20oz weight difference would be huge 2. I've handled the D200 and it feels large, but a hair smaller than just the R8 (and lighter) due to the style of the grip. The R9 should be about the same Finally, the D200 is much, much cheaper, and if I could mount Leica lenses on it, I might be sold too. -Steven Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PATB Posted August 2, 2007 Share #8 Posted August 2, 2007 I have a D80 and primes and consumer zooms. I use it to take pictures of kids graduations, birthday parties, sports, etc. when I need reach, flash, or lots of action shots. Other than that, I don't care it if makes the best pictures on the planet, I really don't feel like using it. It feels like work. I come up with all kinds of excuses not to bring it. On the other hand, I can't stop using my MP. Some may say it is overpriced, unreliable, low-tech, etc. etc. but I just love taking pictures with it. And that is what counts cause otherwise I won't be taking much pictures. We went from about 1 album a year to 4 albums just in the last six months since getting the MP. I know that, to most photographers, photography is all about the pictures. As a hobbyist, however, I value the photographic process and the act of taking pictures as much as the pictures themselves. I am a Nikon fan but Nikon has yet to provide a digital offering that I care to use with passion. I just wish Nikon would make a digital F3HP Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
guywalder Posted August 2, 2007 Share #9 Posted August 2, 2007 What is truly humourous here is that the DMR is a resounding success, both technically and commercially. It's difficult to have a balanced view of Leica's plan for the R8 unless you actually have used one IMO. Sorry, I cannot subscribe to this disinformation. err Conrad, that would make the DMR one of very, very few 'commercial successes' which was discontinued without even a hint of a replacement in the product portfolio.... Leica have their unique strengths, but they are specific to the M line. It has always been easier and cheaper to shoot MF than to bother paying for a Leica SLR. On the other hand the lens quality from the compact and discreet M has long been unique. Just a shame the cameras have hardly moved on since the M3. Nikon? great, been using them for 20 years, the only failure was an FE2 which fell in a river. My M8 and 2 of my 3 lenses had to go back to Solms as, from new, they didnt focus properly. Guy Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgcd Posted August 2, 2007 Share #10 Posted August 2, 2007 The DMR a commercial success? I thought they stopped making them as soon as 1500 had rolled off the line. Not quite... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgcd Posted August 2, 2007 Share #11 Posted August 2, 2007 err Conrad, that would make the DMR one of very, very few 'commercial successes' which was discontinued without even a hint of a replacement in the product portfolio....Leica have their unique strengths, but they are specific to the M line. It has always been easier and cheaper to shoot MF than to bother paying for a Leica SLR. On the other hand the lens quality from the compact and discreet M has long been unique. Just a shame the cameras have hardly moved on since the M3. lol The entire production was sold out. This has been documented at length and already discussed on numerous threads. With respect to Leica's strenghts lying with the M line, sorry I beg to differ. Easier and cheaper to shoot MF than bother paying for a Leica R, interesting, I got rid of all my MF and LF and remained only with Leica R. So I guess we'll agree to disagree. Cheers, Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
guywalder Posted August 2, 2007 Share #12 Posted August 2, 2007 lol The entire production was sold out. This has been documented at length and already discussed on numerous threads. With respect to Leica's strenghts lying with the M line, sorry I beg to differ. Easier and cheaper to shoot MF than bother paying for a Leica R, interesting, I got rid of all my MF and LF and remained only with Leica R. So I guess we'll agree to disagree. Cheers, I guess we will have to agree to disagree! I like your work though, whatever you use to create it Guy Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctorlol Posted August 2, 2007 Author Share #13 Posted August 2, 2007 I note that a schism has developed, if I am to blame, then humble apologies. I have been a Leica fan for many years, and for many more years before I could finally afford an old R4! It was an aspiration, similar to my acquiring a Porsche. So my dear Leica devotees, do we stick with a wonderful pice of glass, attached to a system that is cobbled together from many different manufacturers? Or, do we say to Leica, smell the coffee! The Nikon does not handle as well, but the printed results are equal in any parameter. In fact can anyone of you tell which photograph is taken by which camera? Maybe you would like to test your colleagues? Show two shots taken at similar time with same aperture and speed settings. Proof of the pudding? Laurence Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokysun Posted August 3, 2007 Share #14 Posted August 3, 2007 don't you think it's mostly the lenses that matter. here's a jpeg (came with the raw file) with minor adjustments taken this morning with the canon 20d and the 50 r summicron. (focus confirmation adaptor). the leica r lenses built way beyond anything like the d2 (which i also have) and the 20d solid itself. smokysun's heaven Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/30129-nikon-convert/?do=findComment&comment=319718'>More sharing options...
ron110n Posted August 3, 2007 Share #15 Posted August 3, 2007 Nothing wrong to diversify outside Leica and personally in the Digital World, I have to control my urge or I will end-up with 10 digital cameras per year. I like the e510, but I also like the D200 and the K100. For now, let me party with my L1 that's returning from KatzEye (Panasonic Beta) this Friday for a VF upgrade. -Ron Caveman's Gallery Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerryharwood Posted August 3, 2007 Share #16 Posted August 3, 2007 Interesting thread; I too had a number of Leicas- M6 R8 R7 R6; All have gone except the M6, which i still think is a photographic machine without exception. I have Digilux 2, which is fine- I had a digilux 3 which was nowhere near as good, and in fact I did not like it at all. I also have a Nikon D200, which is exceptional, and I mean that- it works, as have all my Nikons since 1979; they work, and they keep working. Their top glass is just that- brilliant. I bought a new 35-70 F3.5 Leica lens- this fell to pieces in a year, had to go back to Solms, and came back, but never felt as good aftwards. Sold. Quality control at leica has gone down astronomically in my opinion. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicamr Posted August 4, 2007 Share #17 Posted August 4, 2007 I have been a Leica user for many years. My kit includes the DMR and M8. I recently and very relutantly purchased two Nikon D200's, 17-55 f2.8 and a 70 - 200 f2.8. Recent wedding and event photo work has necessitated the use of zoom lenses and quick auto focus equipment, hence the purchase. For the earning of money in my wedding and event type work the Nikon's are great. The TTL flash is also a bonus. When I do not require the speed of auto focus or TTL flash metering, the DMR and M8 provide the soul, passion and ultimate file quality. After a few hours of handling the D200 fitted with the MB200 grip and 17 - 55 f2.8 I realised that the weight was very similar to the DMR. The Nikon kit weighs 150 grams less than the R8 / DMR fitted with the 28 - 90 Vario Elmar. To date I have yet to hear of a whinger complain about the weight of a Nikon! The quality of the Nikon files are very good when given the necessary post processing work, but do not compare to the Leica files. The LCD screens of the DMR and M8 provide clear, sharp and colour accurate images, the Nikons don't. The only time I know that the autofocus got it right is when I view the files on the computer and apply the necessary sharpening. When Leica produce a camera with autofocus and TTL flash the Nikon gear will be up for sale. Happy snapping! Mark Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
guywalder Posted August 4, 2007 Share #18 Posted August 4, 2007 Mark, so to paraphrase, to earn money you shoot nikon, to enjoy yourself you shoot leica? Guy Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicamr Posted August 4, 2007 Share #19 Posted August 4, 2007 Guy, Nikon for my whiz bang wallop style of photography, yes. It never used to be my style, but I have been drawn into it in recent years with reportage style wedding work. In my ideal world I would like to get back to a film camera on a tripod! Mark Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
telyt Posted August 4, 2007 Share #20 Posted August 4, 2007 The DMR a commercial success? I thought they stopped making them as soon as 1500 had rolled off the line. 3000 "don't you think it's mostly the lenses that matter" consider silver-halide image capture: doesn't the film matter also? There are many different type of image capture chips and many different processing algorithms in the various cameras, which can account for the differences people see when comparing DMR images with 5D images (using Leica lenses, to reduce the number of variables). Sure the glass is important, but it's only a part of the imaging chain. For optimum results you should use the best equipment, technique and processing available suitable for the context at every step of the process. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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