Firmware 2.7.5.0 out!!

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Regarding the M10-D and it's update, I rarely if ever use the GPS function in the M10 or the M10-D but as I was part of the user group who tested the firmware before it's release I am somewhat puzzled as to why now the GPS doesn't work/connect with satellites when the Visoflex 020 is mounted on my M10-D. I get the GPS icon appearing in the EVF after a slow minute or so but it has the "X" showing that means it isn't locking with the satellites so therefore no GPS data. This is in exactly the same place where I tested out the firmware a month or so ago and it worked ok then, so why it won't now I don't know.................Actually as I never use the GPS anyway in either M10 maybe I shouldn't care too much, but if something's advertised as a working feature, surely it's something that should for those that would need it.

The other "GPS" thing I had requested of Leica during the testing period was to have the ability to be able to turn off the GPS function in the M10-D as you can on the M10 but frustratingly that still hasn't been addressed with this new firmware and that's disappointing to say the least because even if you don't need or want the GPS function to run it's on by default and always drawing battery power needlessly with the Visoflex 020 mounted.

For me, as it was during the firmware trial, the connection to Foto's does seem a mite quicker and more stable now, which for those that require the WiFi facility is probably a good thing. Otherwise I have to say that particularly in regards to the M10-D this is a very disappointing firmware upgrade if only because no real operational changes have been made to the camera, changes and enhancements that I feel are way overdue.

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[eraydinc]

With latest update, I couldn’t use my Leica M app on iPad Pro. I am always using M app for wireless tethering. But Fotos app absolutely useless app for iPad even for iPhone. I am so dissapointed now.

[AndreasG]

vor einer Stunde schrieb scott kirkpatrick:

I've gotten the GPS on the VF20 to work on my M10-D, but it takes time.  You have to turn auto power off OFF (to stay on), so that the camera and VF20 can work for 2-3 minutes in a good location.  Watch the GPS icon in the viewfinder to see it change from the not-working to the available symbol.

I tried this (usually I keep auto off at 2min), but even after around 15min outdoors no change of icon, only the battery got drained by 10%...

Edited September 5, 2019 by AndreasG

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8 minutes ago, AndreasG said:

I tried this (usually I keep auto off at 2min), but even after around 15min outdoors no change of icon, only the battery got drained by 10%...

Same with my testing today with my M10/M10-D. Leica's GPS function on the M10's is really a waste of time, and battery!

[DAK Glasgow]

Help

 

tried downloading and installing upgrade for m10p started fine and left it do its stuff- came back to find blank screen, touching it or menu/lv/play makes no difference.

 

looking through viewfinder and half pushing shutter button works with frames and shutter speed coming up. Instructions state turning camera off mid update could cause serios damage

 

How long should I wait? Any advice?

 

 

 

 

[ckuwajima]

27 minutes ago, DAK Glasgow said:

Help

 

tried downloading and installing upgrade for m10p started fine and left it do its stuff- came back to find blank screen, touching it or menu/lv/play makes no difference.

 

looking through viewfinder and half pushing shutter button works with frames and shutter speed coming up. Instructions state turning camera off mid update could cause serios damage

 

How long should I wait? Any advice?

 

 

 

 

At the end of the update, there is a notice in screen that the camera is rebooting, camera boots, no extra information on update is shown after boot.

The whole process took around 5 minutes.

[Klassika]

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Hello Dak Glasgow,

Om the Reddotforum they say it’s a rather large update that could take updating up to 10 minutes.

I always wait for a few days in case there are bugs in the update reported by others. 

Succes.

[scott kirkpatrick]

My M10-D update took about 6-7 minutes.  I wasn't watching for the "END" signal, but the camera just shut down. I tested the GPS again (like PeterM, I participated in the beta test, and it worked then), taking along a Garmin hiker GPS to see if there were any satellites in view from the street in front of our apartment.  It was a pretty good day for GPS, with 8 satellites found within 10-15 seconds by the Garmin.  The VF20 also did well, going live in about 30 seconds.  I took a few pictures, reviewed the lat/lon values and they seemed correct.  It even got our altitude right, which is not always possible.

Incidentally, I'm having a relatively hard time connecting, but the chip in the M10-D has 1850 files on it, so I think the problem is that the phone times out before getting the directory copied and the first few pictures uploaded.  If I try a second time, it works. The recommendation has always been to test first with a nearly empty card to see how things work.

Edited September 5, 2019 by scott kirkpatrick

[M11 for me]

I think that the instructions from Leica are very bad. First a normal prerson does not read the full instruction befire starting but you go through it step by step. I do it likr that anyway. Then it comes: After starting the installation on the M10 I continue reading in the instructions: I should save my profilers first. Oh, I missed that one now. Then after the instalation ends you should restart the camera. How do I know that the installation ended. When I install a programme on my Mac it says „installation succressful“. Not so on the Leica. Then after waiting a good while you dare to tough your camera. Carefully you press a button. Finally  you „restart“ your M10. What „restart“? Its probably meant to turn it off and then on again. But never mind: My update worked. These instruction are no precision work. 

[pajamies]

2 hours ago, petermullett said:

Regarding the M10-D and it's update, I rarely if ever use the GPS function in the M10 or the M10-D but as I was part of the user group who tested the firmware before it's release I am somewhat puzzled as to why now the GPS doesn't work/connect with satellites when the Visoflex 020 is mounted on my M10-D. I get the GPS icon appearing in the EVF after a slow minute or so but it has the "X" showing that means it isn't locking with the satellites so therefore no GPS data. This is in exactly the same place where I tested out the firmware a month or so ago and it worked ok then, so why it won't now I don't know.................Actually as I never use the GPS anyway in either M10 maybe I shouldn't care too much, but if something's advertised as a working feature, surely it's something that should for those that would need it.

The other "GPS" thing I had requested of Leica during the testing period was to have the ability to be able to turn off the GPS function in the M10-D as you can on the M10 but frustratingly that still hasn't been addressed with this new firmware and that's disappointing to say the least because even if you don't need or want the GPS function to run it's on by default and always drawing battery power needlessly with the Visoflex 020 mounted.

For me, as it was during the firmware trial, the connection to Foto's does seem a mite quicker and more stable now, which for those that require the WiFi facility is probably a good thing. Otherwise I have to say that particularly in regards to the M10-D this is a very disappointing firmware upgrade if only because no real operational changes have been made to the camera, changes and enhancements that I feel are way overdue.

Updated the firmware successfully to M10-D.

The GPS icon appears in Visoflex in a minute or so, but the satellite icon continued to show an x as a sign of no connection to satellites for at least 10 minutes, and then I stopped waiting. My Nikon GPS dongle gets the signal in my yard in a few minutes.

[scott kirkpatrick]

Maybe all the satellites were over my yard when you tried it.  Take both cameras out for a side-by-side test, and this will be a better experiment.  And be sure to set auto power OFF.  The VF20 is not a very strong GPS.  The SL does much better.  As does my phone.  An ultimate solution will be to let the phone do the work in localization and pass that data (maybe smoothed to keep the noise down) to the camera over Bluetooth, as Panasonic S cameras do, and probably the Q2 as well.

[LBJ2]

4 hours ago, AndreasG said:

Do you get GPS data in the exif file?

I am able to see GPS data with M10 + Visoflex image files in the Metadata in Lightroom even before this latest firmware update. I also see the same on the Fotos app. 

Edited September 5, 2019 by LBJ2

[DickieT]

A working GPS (or not) set aside - I am concerned that after almost 1 year after the launch of the 10M-D, Leica has not taken any interest in the user feedback they have gathered. There is a host of desires from users out there, some are pretty basic like manual lens selection. Has anyone been in contact with Leica to understand their plans ?

[magixaxeman]

2 hours ago, eraydinc said:

With latest update, I couldn’t use my Leica M app on iPad Pro. I am always using M app for wireless tethering. But Fotos app absolutely useless app for iPad even for iPhone. I am so dissapointed now.

This is why I haven't updated mine since they ditched the M app

[scott kirkpatrick]

Yes, the new firmware favors the FOTOS app over the several (probably no longer supported) other ways to connect.

I'm doing the M10 update now.  I saved my user profiles, of course, but the firmware update did not remind me.  That is inexcusable. 

 

[LBJ2]

I am very happy with the Fotos app for the M10. I use it often with iPhone and iPad and for me one of the best performing mobile apps out there. The fact that it can transfer RAW/DNG files relatively quickly is very helpful for quick editing. Remote control with real camera settings  feature is very good too. Even Sony's mobile app can't transfer RAW images yet which to me is very frustrating. 

[LBJ2]

3 hours ago, marcg said:

I am getting an upgrade failure.  I've tried it 5 times - always the same result

Just in case you missed a step

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[pajamies]

34 minutes ago, scott kirkpatrick said:

Maybe all the satellites were over my yard when you tried it.  Take both cameras out for a side-by-side test, and this will be a better experiment.  And be sure to set auto power OFF.  The VF20 is not a very strong GPS.  The SL does much better.  As does my phone.  An ultimate solution will be to let the phone do the work in localization and pass that data (maybe smoothed to keep the noise down) to the camera over Bluetooth, as Panasonic S cameras do, and probably the Q2 as well.

I repeated the experiment sequentially in the same spot of my yard. The (antiquated) Nikon GP-1A on a D850 found the satellites in 1 and a half minutes, Leica M10-D with Visoflex did not find the satellites in five. And yes, the Power off was in the OFF position.

Edited September 5, 2019 by pajamies

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1 hour ago, pajamies said:

I repeated the experiment sequentially in the same spot of my yard. The (antiquated) Nikon GP-1A on a D850 found the satellites in 1 and a half minutes, Leica M10-D with Visoflex did not find the satellites in five. And yes, the Power off was in the OFF position.

this is quite sad really........I wish that Leica would stay with what they know best in regards to the M, that is continue to refine what the M does very well and that to my mind is to continue to develop the M series as the best rangefinder that they can make and not get diverted too much into the swamp of digital diversions. Wifi I count as such, GPS and in regards to the M I include any attempt to build in an EVF.

The GPS on the M10's is really pathetic and as it is it shouldn't be there at all or in the case of the M10-D one should be able to switch it off as you can with the M10/M10P. The WiFi and Foto's are sadly innefective as camera applications and they are something I ignore totally with the M10 and even though I use it very rarely just for settings I wish I could do the same with the M10-D. Leica hasn't performed well at all with these digital "extensions" for the M10's and more importantly nor have they done so in regards to meaningful firmware upgrades. I guess their digital / software department is small and overstretched because they must have to cover the rest of Leica's line-up too so it appears that no Leica model is getting the digital firmware upgrades that they need and deserve........

[LBJ2]

The GPS with the Visoflex 020 on my M10 works well. Glad to have it actually and happy it also maps/plots with Lightroom Map feature upon import. I wonder if some are experiencing LoS (line of sight) issues in their respective locations/geographies and think it's an issue with the Visoflex GPS. Otherwise , my GPS connections here in very flat terrain Central Florida is pretty consistent and realtively quick to connect and stay connected when I am outside. Some buildings or even my home will block the connection, but once I walk outside Its off and running.