Mauribix Posted August 1, 2007 Share #1 Posted August 1, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) I'm thinking about a value kit to travel with in "dangerous" situations CV12 or CV15 Zeiss Biogon 25 CV35 nokton or CV40 nokton (even a summicron-c 40) 75cron or CV75 ....a set for low costs budgets... what would you think about it? something missing?.... pros & cons? Regards Maurizio Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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wattsy Posted August 1, 2007 Share #2 Posted August 1, 2007 I'm not sure what you mean by dangerous situations - are you going to Baghdad or Southern Afghanistan? I'm not sure what the point would be of having a cheaper set of lenses - isn't it more cost effective to have decent insurance? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted August 1, 2007 Share #3 Posted August 1, 2007 Maurizio, do you seriously think a mugger would see the difference between a Nokton and a Summilux? ;)The Leica M cameras are pretty safe in this respect anyway, multibutton DSLRs are far more attractive and easily sellable P&S cameras even more so to the thieving community. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sisoje Posted August 1, 2007 Share #4 Posted August 1, 2007 I'm thinking about a value kit to travel with in "dangerous" situations CV12 or CV15 Zeiss Biogon 25 CV35 nokton or CV40 nokton (even a summicron-c 40) 75cron or CV75 ....a set for low costs budgets... what would you think about it? something missing?.... pros & cons? Regards Maurizio "Value Kit"??? Almost all from your list are in my "Glamourous" (first tier) Kit:D Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mauribix Posted August 1, 2007 Author Share #5 Posted August 1, 2007 Hi guys, I mean some travels where equipment is often roughly touched by people, or subject to thieves or weather subsequent changes... i.e. India, rather than tropics or jungles.... Since I don't like to use DSLR anyway, I would maybe prefer to see a scratched CV35nokton than a stolen 28'cron on my M8(already happened)... I'll try to post some to make you understand... regards Maurizio MAURIZIO BEUCCI.com - Official web site Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted August 1, 2007 Share #6 Posted August 1, 2007 The travels and circumstances you mention are often the best photo-opportunities - I would want my first-line kit. One word, it has been mentioned before insurance. And as for scratches, I try to avoid them as much as anybody, but in the end , a tool is a tool and it gets used and marked.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mauribix Posted August 1, 2007 Author Share #7 Posted August 1, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) And here is the set... much more to share pictures than other, but as you can imagine, in a travel like this you have always to take care about sand, kids.... and tourists! (I don't think a kid could manage my stolen lens....mmm...) these shots with lumix/leica compact digital camera FZ7 I've always try to find the way to make insurance, but no company here in Italy can do that. this is the "Bel Paese" regards Maurizio MAURIZIO BEUCCI.com - Official web site Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJL Posted August 1, 2007 Share #8 Posted August 1, 2007 While I understand the concerns over damage and replacement, as others have mentioned, that is why you should have insurance. As to the comments about your selection being anything "less" than some other choices of Leica only lenses, I think folks are just not wanting to recognize how good some of these "value" lenses really are. The CV 15/4.5, Zeiss 25/2.8, CV 35/1.2 Nokton and even the CV 50/1.5 Nokton are all capable of delivering excellent images that in some respects are hard to tell from Leica lenses of similar specs. In fact, that is pretty much the kit I take with me everywhere, plus a Leica 75/2.0 AA and soon (I hope) the 50/1.0 Noctilux, and so far, I have not seen any problems at all with this so-called "value" kit. It works for me in all conditions, and never fails to deliver excellent results. The only "problem" I have learned to work around is that pesky backfocus issue with the Leica lenses that I do not seem to have any issues with from the "value" lenses. (Sorry, I had to toss that in again.....) Really do not hate to say it, that some folks might be more than surprised at just how great some of the non-Lieca glass really is. They have their own "signatures", but I would bet that anybody shooting any of it, Leica or others, beyond f5.6 will be hard pressed to tell things apart. So, nothing wrong with placing excellent, lower cost glass on that precious Leica. It works just fine. LJ P.S. I still have to feed my beast DSLRs with "white lenses" for my other work, so I am always quite happy to save a few dollars on an outstanding CV lens that delivers for me on the M8. I do not consider it being "cheap" or anything of the sort, but more "smart" about what some other lenses can deliver. Is the CV 15/4.5 "equal" to the WATE? No. It delivers outstanding images at a fraction of the price. I like that kind of inequality. Same holds for the Zeiss 25/2.8, and the others. They are not giving up much, if any optical ground to Leica from what I am seeing. Just my opiions here. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mauribix Posted August 1, 2007 Author Share #9 Posted August 1, 2007 other here... Jaap,I would like to always use my best equipment... but still now I have to find again 2920,00€ to buy my 'cron again... i may accept to have an accidentally scratched lens... but it's so damn bad to have a lens less when coming home.... regards Maurizio MAURIZIO BEUCCI.com - Official web site Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mauribix Posted August 1, 2007 Author Share #10 Posted August 1, 2007 While I understand the concerns over damage and replacement, as others have mentioned, that is why you should have insurance. As to the comments about your selection being anything "less" than some other choices of Leica only lenses, I think folks are just not wanting to recognize how good some of these "value" lenses really are.... issues with from the "value" lenses. (Sorry, I had to toss that in again.....) ...Just my opiions here. No problem, and thank for your post... I really didn't wanted to hurt anyone with "value"... I really like CV and Zeiss lenses... I personally own and love CV 15 and 40 nokton is coming into my bag... I would love to buy a Zeiss25 (more and more I can see stunning images from it), and your precious impressions make me nothing but wanting more and more this "tiny set"... Thanks a lot maurizio MAURIZIO BEUCCI.com - Official web site Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJL Posted August 1, 2007 Share #11 Posted August 1, 2007 Maurizio, I was not in the least bit offended or "hurt" by your comments about "value" lenses. My comments were more directed to folks that tend to judge some of these great lenses as somehow be "inferior" or unable to perform as well as Leica lenses. That simply is not true. In fact, some lenses, like the Zeiss Biogon 25/2.8 seem to produce an image that in many respects may be more attractive than the Leica 24/2.8 lens. Sharpness and contrast are outstanding right to the edges. I replaced the Zeiss 28/90 mount with the 24/35 on my Biogon, coded it myself, and have never looked back. It is a very compact and stunningly beautiful little lens that delivers excellent images. My CV 35/1.2 Nokton is a bit heavier than a Leica 35/1.4, but it does an outstanding job at imaging, as does the CV 50/1.5 Nokton. Sean Reid has reviewed many of these lenses, and he continues to espouse similar opinions, they are excellent lenses and real "bargains" for the price, in most cases. Not all are "great", but many hold their own very well against the much more expensive Leica glass. Personally, I do not think you would be at all disappointed with any of the lenses you mentioned for stocking a travel kit that would cost a lot less to replace if you had to from damage or theft. All would still be able to deliver very high quality images for you, plus that peace of mind knowing that you would be able to "recover" more quickly if they get damaged, stolen, or somehow lost. I would not hestitate to use the kit you mention, as I do, all the time, and love the performance of each and every one of the lenses. I have the option to replace each with Leica lenses, but I am not really seeing any need to do so. LJ Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
teehas53 Posted August 1, 2007 Share #12 Posted August 1, 2007 As to the comments about your selection being anything "less" than some other choices of Leica only lenses, I think folks are just not wanting to recognize how good some of these "value" lenses really are. The CV 15/4.5, Zeiss 25/2.8, CV 35/1.2 Nokton and even the CV 50/1.5 Nokton are all capable of delivering excellent images that in some respects are hard to tell from Leica lenses of similar specs... some folks might be more than surprised at just how great some of the non-Lieca glass really is... A number of us have been saying this on the forum for some time now. Sean points out (and I think rightly so) that CV glass especially might get more respect if it were more expensive. But let's be careful what we wish for! Another outstanding CV lens is the 28/3.5 Color Skopar. I love the small size, no blockage of the finder, and stealthy, "old school" look - and it's easily codable with a Milich LTM8. Now, I may have a truly great example, but mine gives up *nothing* except maximum aperture to my 28 Cron. Nothing! As I rarely work wide-open, I'm even thinking of selling off the Cron (sacrilege to some, I know... ) Or possibly working a trade for a 35 Lux (though the CV 35/1.7 Ultron is only a whisker away... ) T Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dseelig Posted August 1, 2007 Share #13 Posted August 1, 2007 Ranter then worry about the value of stuff ripped off get insurance from a reputable insurer. I use the Hartford excellent company . Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom0511 Posted August 2, 2007 Share #14 Posted August 2, 2007 I'm thinking about a value kit to travel with in "dangerous" situations CV12 or CV15 Zeiss Biogon 25 CV35 nokton or CV40 nokton (even a summicron-c 40) 75cron or CV75 ....Maurizio Personally I would prefer 35 instead of 40 (because of framelines) or even better 28 and 50 (thats my taste). What about the following set: Zeiss 21mm, VC 28/1.9, Zeiss 50/1.5 or a used 50/2.0 cron + 90/4.0 Macro If you dont need fast lenses I also find the Trielmar great. Personally I understand you dont want to bring the most expensive lenses on such a trip. And we should not forget that the "cheaper" lenses are not that much of an compromise IMO. I often use the TE instead of my 28/2.0asph and 50/1.4asph and while differences on screen can be seen in 1:1 comparison, I never feel the TE like a compromise.(besides between f1.4 and f2.8 ) Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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