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Macros with Leica M8, M9, M10. Which is better?.

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I guess it's a topic already discussed, but I haven't found it, so I open this thread to express doubts.

I am lucky to have bought a second-hand M8 that works well to date.

When I go out to take pictures, if I see the possibility of taking a macro, I do it but I like to take only one camera with the corresponding lens or accessory. What objective or accessory should I carry on my M8 to make moderately acceptable macros? .

With a newer camera like m9, m10 or M240, would it be easier than with the M8? ...

Like other times, I look forward to the wise advice you can give, with which, people like me, we are learning little by little and I apologize for any inconvenience it may cause.

regards

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With an M10 or M240 you could use the R Macro lenses like for example the 100mm APO. That makes everything a bit easier.

Using the M8 or M9 I would suggest that you are looking for a Visoflex III and a Visoflex Lens like the f3.5 60mm Elmar. And maybe even an extension bellows.

you can get all of that for small money and it makes fun to use it.

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The only way to do photomacrography with analog Leica M, Leica M8, or Leica M9 is a Visoflex mirror box plus one or two specialised lenses. That's so bulky to carry and cumbersome to use, you'd rather carry another camera. If you just want to do some close-ups (as opposed to real macros) then the best way is the Macro-Elmar-M 90 mm (original version, with the googled extension tube).

The digital M cameras with live view — i. e. Leica M (Typ 240) and Leica M10 — are an entirely different thing. To these, you can easily attach any kind of close-up, photomacrography, and photomicrography equipment and use it without restrictions.

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For the traditional M (this includes the M8 and M9) there were only devices which enabled the viewfinder to give you an exact view of  an object in close distance (closer than the usual 0.7m) . The 90mm Macro-Elmar-M with "goggles" is such a device. There was also the 50mm Summicron with an attachment ("goggles") for the viewfinder, or the even older separate attachments called "SOMKY" or "SOOKY-M". Since the M8 with a smaller sensor gives you a narrower field of view than a full-framed sensor, the M8 may be better for close ups with the same lens, though you might achieve the same with a full-frame sensor camera when you cropped the result.  

 None of these attachments for viewfinders did  allow to get close enough to achieve a "real" Macro (1:2 or 1.1:1 magnification). To achieve this  you need a mirror-reflex  housing, which Leitz offered under the name of Visoflex III. It fits well to the digital bodies and you can use several different lenses and bellows with the device. If you do some search you'll find a lot about the old Visoflex here in the Forum.

With the M (Typ 240) and M10 things changed completely, since you  can use electronic live view instead of the optical viewfinder or a mirror reflex housing. Now you can use all sorts of Macro lenses with no limitation of magnification if you have the right adapter. There is the 90mm Macro-Elmar-M with a Macro-Adapter which is more flexible than the older version and expecially there are lots of very good Macro lenses for the Leica R you can use with an Adapter on the M with live view.

 

 

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IMO for macros is important to have a possibility to use an EVF. The EVF of the M10 is not bad.

With the M10 you can move the focus point aroun the display as well. Very helpful if you are using an tripod.

I´m using the M10-P with different glases + the Elpro52 normaly freehand.

The best you can do, go to your Leica dealer and check all the posibilities.

 

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Gracias a todos por la información y comentarios.

Sigo viendo y experimentando.

Dicen que una imagen vale más que mil palabras, debo decir que con Google hay pocos ejemplos de macros tomadas con estas cámaras M, tanto con Visoflex III como con la lente macro R con adaptador.

Cualquier imagen, tanto macro como teleobjetivo con estas cámaras y accesorios, sería bien vista y apreciada.

Thank you

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I have seen these explanations.

 

 

It seems that it could be worth equally for Leica M8 ..

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Yes with M8 we can use Visoflex III with some lenses.

https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/286996-open-thread-pictures-of-and-with-visoflex-lenses/?do=findComment&comment=3562970

When I use with M8, I mark with pencil (or soft marker that can be wiped off) the field coverage of x1.3 on the focus screen.

 

with M10, it's better when we use the electronic Visoflex 020

 

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M10 use

 

 

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Here is material to see and study.

Thanks for the thread. I see it slowly to try to assimilate so much information.
regards

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Leica Visoflex es un mundo fascinante por descubrir...

Sorry, in english 😉

Leica Visoflex is fascinating world that I use since 1980's and still now with M10.

Solutions are there for M users (not elegant but usable in most case and compatible with last M models )

since start of Leica accessories offering with first Leica in the 1920's .

 

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Much as I am a fan of the M9 and Monochrom Mk1 bodies, surely this is where live view on the M240 and M10 cameras is a real benefit. I have the 90mm Macro Elmar-M goggled adapter and while it works, there is a fair bit of parallax error that needs to be compensated for. I usually get the arrangement approximately right in the optical finder, take a photograph and check it on the rear screen, adjust alignment etc.

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Doing some tests with M8 + Elmar 90mm f4 of 1955 with adapter for M8 and my Leica V-lux 114, I show results, of the two cameras, although there are differences of: Size and type of sensor, lens, f, frames, light, etc. .:

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Hello:
It seems fun and I want to start in that world of Visoflex III with my M8.

To prove, I don't want to spend a lot of money. I found one, at a low price and, as indicated in the ad, it has signs of external wear but with 100% internal functionality.

https://www.ebay.es/itm/163759057829

Any advice or suggestion would be very useful.

I note that they use wide-headed tripods.
Should I acquire one?

 

Now I am located in the "Monfrague National Park" Extremadura Spain, where there can be many photos of nature (birds, deer, reptiles, etc.). For this I carry my Leica V-lux 114, with which, over long distances, I get moderately acceptable photos.

Com Visoflex III + M8 + Elmar 90, f4 + Tripods with wide head and patience. Could you beat the photos of V-lux114, which has a 1 inch sensor? ..

Before embarking on the adventure of buying accessories, I await your wise advice.

Thank you

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* What is the main difference between Visoflex III and Visoflex II?
* Can both be used with Leica M8? ..
* If they are M39, and with adapter can they be used with both LTM and M? ..

I have many doubts, please answer.
A greeting.

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2 hours ago, Dopaco said:

* What is the main difference between Visoflex III and Visoflex II?
* Can both be used with Leica M8? ..
* If they are M39, and with adapter can they be used with both LTM and M? ..

About Visoflex 2 & 3, see LeicaWiki. https://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-wiki.en/index.php/Visoflex_III
My experience is limited to the Visoflex 3 but i guess the Visoflex 2 works the same way on the M8.
Both work normally with lenses made for Visoflex but they can use also the "head" i.e. the optical cell of some M lenses with an adapter. 
No idea about LTM lenses but those having a detachable head should fit as well.
Just a guess though. a.noctilux and other colleagues here will know better.

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Not sure if I remember it correctly, but was there not an issue with the Visoflex II that you can mount it on the M8 or M9 but then you are not able to press the release button again? But maybe I'm wrong...

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Dirkt,  the note is appropriate.
The Visoflex II system's matching angle finder has a step and does not fit the housing height of the camera M8/M9/M10, the vertical magnifier works.
Therefore I only recommend the Visoflex III in this case. (... getting started with the Visoflex System, ... )
 

E. Leitz Visoflex III Finder (4x)

                   & Magnifier (5x)

E. Leitz Bellows II Nr. 16556

Rings for mounting on the bellows unit: 

E. Leitz M-Bajonett  Nr. 16596

  E. Leitz 1:4/90, 1:3,5/65 1:2,8/90  Nr. 16558

     E. Leitz M39   Nr. 16590

 

 

KAF-10500 and Lenshead 90mm Elmarit f/2.8 (at  3.4) Tilt-/Shift Bellows-M

 

Thorsten

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