John Ricard Posted July 24, 2019 Share #41 Posted July 24, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) I'd love for you to show an image where you focus on an centered eye at 1.2 and then recompose and still have that eye in focus. We both know that is not possible. https://fstoppers.com/education/heres-why-focusing-and-recomposing-photographs-fails-168567 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jdlaing Posted July 24, 2019 Share #42 Posted July 24, 2019 Because it doesn’t work for you does not mean it doesn’t work for everybody. I have used that method at times and it works for me. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted July 24, 2019 Share #43 Posted July 24, 2019 22 minutes ago, John Ricard said: If you like, I will make a You Tube video just for you showing that is simply not true. And I will show you the math. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
evikne Posted July 24, 2019 Author Share #44 Posted July 24, 2019 (edited) I have also explained in other threads how I shoot my Noctilux at f/1.0 with minimal need for recomposing: I try to find something else to focus at, nearer the middle of the frame, that lays on the same focal plane as the "point of interest" somewhere out to the edge. I've practiced to see the focal plane like imaginative lines, almost like "augmented reality". 🙂 This is also useful when photographing two subjects at the same time with shallow depth of field, because you learn where to move and place yourself in relation to the subjects. Edited July 24, 2019 by evikne 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Kilmister Posted July 24, 2019 Share #45 Posted July 24, 2019 2 hours ago, John Ricard said: Will do. But can you explain exactly how you are selecting your focus point on an M body? On my M10 I'm forced to use the center point only. Is there some ability to select a different focus point on the M10 that I am unaware of? As I mentioned earlier, its pretty easy to do this on my Nikon Z6. In fact I can use either the circular control on the back or the joystick above it. @pico explained how easy it is in post #38. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted July 24, 2019 Share #46 Posted July 24, 2019 4 hours ago, John Ricard said: If you like, I will make a You Tube video just for you showing that is simply not true. Shooting at apertures typically used by Leica shooters -who are known for their love of fast glass, you will absolutely get focus error from shooting portraits and using the focus and recompose method. I am not going to argue your point, John. Perhaps my standards are low. I'm happy to make a picture that is good enough. Very Best, Pico Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
evikne Posted July 24, 2019 Author Share #47 Posted July 24, 2019 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) Recomposing is actually one thing that works better in real life than in theory. At least with some experience. 😉 Edited July 24, 2019 by evikne 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted July 24, 2019 Share #48 Posted July 24, 2019 24 minutes ago, evikne said: Recomposing is actually one thing that works better in real life than in theory. At least with some experience. 😉 Such as tilting our head back less than an inch. 🙄 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted July 24, 2019 Share #49 Posted July 24, 2019 Or forward. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Ricard Posted July 25, 2019 Share #50 Posted July 25, 2019 4 hours ago, pico said: Such as tilting our head back less than an inch. 🙄 Yeah, I'm sure that works great with that 85mm 1.2 lens someone mentioned earlier in this thread. Is it too much to ask for a little honesty on this forum? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkmoore Posted July 25, 2019 Share #51 Posted July 25, 2019 40 minutes ago, John Ricard said: Yeah, I'm sure that works great with that 85mm 1.2 lens someone mentioned earlier in this thread. Is it too much to ask for a little honesty on this forum? Did Leica release a new 85 Noctilux? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maarten Posted July 25, 2019 Share #52 Posted July 25, 2019 (edited) On 7/24/2019 at 12:31 AM, John Ricard said: (Before I begin, for the love of God, I'm begging you all to please NOT post that hand draw diagram of how the rangefinder mechanism works. I just can't...) The EVF is a godsend compared to just having the rangefinder as the only option and the current version is an improvement over the M240 version. But I agree with the OP that the EVF is less than perfect and often the user finds it easier to just forget about the EVF and take a chance nailing the focus with the rangefinder. Most of the time that I use the EVF it is because I am using a Nikon lens on the M10. That said, I really feel Leica should release information about the user can make rangefinder adjustments himself/herself. There is no information about this process released by Leica, and there isn't a single video on You Tube about the process for those of us who might be brave enough to try. I've read on this forum that one of the adjustments is pretty easy to do -I guess that being the one with the giant screw on the front of some bodies, but its a shame that there is no clear information on how to do this. Also, it would be cool if Leica followed 7 Artisans and provided the ability to adjust the lenses directly. At the very least, the Leica stores should provide this service (at a cost) quickly for anyone who brings a camera in. John, while you do not accept having to understand the rangefinder mechanism from an excellent explanation + graph of one of the forum members, you do want to pester me with this formula to explain the focus error that comes from recomposing: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited July 25, 2019 by Maarten 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/299510-my-dream-for-a-future-evf-m/?do=findComment&comment=3784802'>More sharing options...
John Ricard Posted July 25, 2019 Share #53 Posted July 25, 2019 9 hours ago, dkmoore said: Did Leica release a new 85 Noctilux? No, they did not. But someone in this thread mentioned his ability to focus and recompose with a Canon 85mm 1.2 lens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Ricard Posted July 25, 2019 Share #54 Posted July 25, 2019 4 hours ago, Maarten said: John, while you do not accept having to understand the rangefinder mechanism from an excellent explanation + graph of one of the forum members, you do want to pester me with this formula to explain the focus error that comes from recomposing: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! There are a lot of explanations on You Tube and elsewhere about why focus and recompose is a good idea or a bad one. When someone asks how to adjust the focusing screws on a M body, this forum seems capable of offering no other resource than that lone hand drawn diagram. Which is why my original post said Leica should release the information. Clearly, no one else has interest in doing so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
evikne Posted July 25, 2019 Author Share #55 Posted July 25, 2019 47 minutes ago, John Ricard said: No, they did not. But someone in this thread mentioned his ability to focus and recompose with a Canon 85mm 1.2 lens. Yes, I did so for ten years, before I moved to Leica, and now I still use the same techniques with Leica. I often want to compose an image following the golden ratio. How far is it from center to one of the four red spots in the golden ratio grid? The distance is minimal. Usually no problem even with the largest apertures. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! If I want to compose with the focus further out to the edges, I often use the technique I explained earlier in this thread, by focusing on something else, nearer the middle, but at the same focal plane. Another possibility is to crop the image on one of the sides to get a more dynamic composition. Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! If I want to compose with the focus further out to the edges, I often use the technique I explained earlier in this thread, by focusing on something else, nearer the middle, but at the same focal plane. Another possibility is to crop the image on one of the sides to get a more dynamic composition. ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/299510-my-dream-for-a-future-evf-m/?do=findComment&comment=3784929'>More sharing options...
dkmoore Posted July 25, 2019 Share #56 Posted July 25, 2019 1 hour ago, John Ricard said: No, they did not. But someone in this thread mentioned his ability to focus and recompose with a Canon 85mm 1.2 lens. I was being sarcastic but it was a failed attempt. I do agree with many others that focusing and re-composing is not that difficult wide open. I am able to do this successfully with models that are constantly moving and achieve focus on the eyes without blasting away and I am FAR from professional. Some people use continuous but I find that is not needed at all. Sure, if you are minimum focus distance from a subject this gets a little more challenging but still fairly easy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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