Tragg Posted July 14, 2019 Share #1 Posted July 14, 2019 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) The first decade or so of digital cameras was marked by continual – and demonstrable - improvements in performance with the result that models became redundant within a few years of being launched. That’s no so anymore. Some folks here would like to see a new M model with more than the M10’s 24 megapixels (personally I’m quite happy with 24 megapixels, which I believe already provides higher resolution than a 35mm film camera). The battery capacity could be better but all told I don’t see any reason to ditch what, in my opinion, is a near perfect digital rangefinder – losing $/£ in the process - for the few ‘improvements’ that a new model is likely to offer over an M10 or M10-P. Indeed, through the last decades of the previous century film cameras went through a similar process of evolution with all sorts of automated features being offered but this didn't prevent many pros from sticking to their M3s and Nikon Fs. Edited July 14, 2019 by Tragg 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TomB_tx Posted July 14, 2019 Share #2 Posted July 14, 2019 Fully agree. Most of the additions / “enhancements” folks talk about make it less desirable to me. The M10 hit my sweet-spot exactly. (OK, the quieter shutter would be nice, but not worth the upgrade cost.) I don’t see any upgrades or new models in my future. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lykaman Posted July 14, 2019 Share #3 Posted July 14, 2019 According to my Wife, I have enough fire power - actually I agree.. My M-P240 Safari + Leica Lenses offers more than I need.. X1, XVario, V-Lux 4 & 40 augment -- Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gobert Posted July 14, 2019 Share #4 Posted July 14, 2019 My wife is in the opinion that I have enough gear, to which I disagree. 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tragg Posted July 14, 2019 Author Share #5 Posted July 14, 2019 1 hour ago, Gobert said: My wife is in the opinion that I have enough gear, to which I disagree. At this stage I'd rather spend my money on another lens than a new camera... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lykaman Posted July 14, 2019 Share #6 Posted July 14, 2019 7 minutes ago, Tragg said: At this stage I'd rather spend my money on another lens than a new camera... Clever chap, easy to hide a new lens..(Unbox it in the garage, snap onto the camera) the perfect crime 🕺 3 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted July 14, 2019 Share #7 Posted July 14, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) 1 hour ago, lykaman said: According to my Wife, I have enough fire power I am fortunate that my wife has become camera-blind as evinced by her lack of response to whatever newly created arises from my workshop, but also because all my M cameras 'look alike' to her. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lykaman Posted July 14, 2019 Share #8 Posted July 14, 2019 1 minute ago, pico said: I am fortunate that my wife has become camera-blind as evinced by her lack of response to whatever newly created arises from my workshop, but also because all my M cameras 'look alike' to her. My wife may well be camera & equipment blind, but somehow she know when new stuff arrives.. L Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted July 14, 2019 Share #9 Posted July 14, 2019 (edited) 12 minutes ago, lykaman said: My wife may well be camera & equipment blind, but somehow she know when new stuff arrives.. L Oh, do not your bank account password! Edited July 14, 2019 by pico Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lykaman Posted July 14, 2019 Share #10 Posted July 14, 2019 7 minutes ago, pico said: Oh, do not your bank account password! USPS send her an email as to what and when stuff arrives.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted July 14, 2019 Share #11 Posted July 14, 2019 6 minutes ago, lykaman said: USPS send her an email as to what and when stuff arrives.... Argh! Gotta take care of that! Somehow we have managed to avoid that. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lykaman Posted July 14, 2019 Share #12 Posted July 14, 2019 4 minutes ago, pico said: Argh! Gotta take care of that! Somehow we have managed to avoid that. WTF...once ordered, when arrived It stays... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FHPdoc Posted July 15, 2019 Share #13 Posted July 15, 2019 19 hours ago, lykaman said: Clever chap, easy to hide a new lens..(Unbox it in the garage, snap onto the camera) the perfect crime 🕺 19 hours ago, pico said: I am fortunate that my wife has become camera-blind as evinced by her lack of response to whatever newly created arises from my workshop, but also because all my M cameras 'look alike' to her. Buy chrome--the retro look screams 'used' (and therefore 'cheap'). 😶 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
budjames Posted July 18, 2019 Share #14 Posted July 18, 2019 (edited) My wife loves the Sony RX100IV that I bought her a few years ago. She takes most of the family and event photos with it. I have the "serious" cameras, Leica M10 and Fuji XT3. We travel a lot. We are leaving to 2 weeks in Scotland and Ireland next month. When we get back, my wife will create a great book as she does for each of our vacations. She is very engaged in our photography "lifestyle". I've been to 54 countries so far. She never questions my gear upgrades over the years as I am a responsible spender. Fortunately, my partnership in a wealth management practices provides the resources to enjoy travel and fine photographic gear. Life is good! Regards, Bud James Please check out my fine art and travel photography at www.budjames.photography or on Instagram at www.instagram.com/budjamesphoto. Edited July 18, 2019 by budjames 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted July 18, 2019 Share #15 Posted July 18, 2019 On 7/14/2019 at 8:00 PM, Tragg said: The first decade or so of digital cameras was marked by continual – and demonstrable - improvements in performance with the result that models became redundant within a few years of being launched. That’s no so anymore. Some folks here would like to see a new M model with more than the M10’s 24 megapixels (personally I’m quite happy with 24 megapixels, which I believe already provides higher resolution than a 35mm film camera). The battery capacity could be better but all told I don’t see any reason to ditch what, in my opinion, is a near perfect digital rangefinder – losing $/£ in the process - for the few ‘improvements’ that a new model is likely to offer over an M10 or M10-P. Indeed, through the last decades of the previous century film cameras went through a similar process of evolution with all sorts of automated features being offered but this didn't prevent many pros from sticking to their M3s and Nikon Fs. It sounds like a preamble to convince yourself not to buy a new Leica! My gear is mostly film but I have some Canon digital bodies, the 'best' of which is a 5D - the original 12.8MP model. This camera was used by many Pro photographers, an awful lot of press, editorial and wedding photos were taken with 5D's. People were more than happy with the results then so why shouldn't it continue to be a viable tool today? (until it packs up one day then I'll upgrade). We need to remember that the camera manufacturers have to keep selling new cameras to survive, and they need something to convince existing users to trade up. A tweak here and there, a new mode, more MP's. You may not need any of that stuff but it's enough to make many people feel dissatisfied with having the old model and that they're missing out. There's enough evidence of that on here whenever a new model is released! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock Posted July 18, 2019 Share #16 Posted July 18, 2019 2 hours ago, earleygallery said: It sounds like a preamble to convince yourself not to buy a new Leica! My gear is mostly film but I have some Canon digital bodies, the 'best' of which is a 5D - the original 12.8MP model. This camera was used by many Pro photographers, an awful lot of press, editorial and wedding photos were taken with 5D's. People were more than happy with the results then so why shouldn't it continue to be a viable tool today? (until it packs up one day then I'll upgrade). We need to remember that the camera manufacturers have to keep selling new cameras to survive, and they need something to convince existing users to trade up. A tweak here and there, a new mode, more MP's. You may not need any of that stuff but it's enough to make many people feel dissatisfied with having the old model and that they're missing out. There's enough evidence of that on here whenever a new model is released! Canon have produced around 50 EOS Digital cameras since 2005 (I have a couple plus one of the last EOS film cameras) that averages out to over 3.5 new models per year. Food for thought. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lykaman Posted July 19, 2019 Share #17 Posted July 19, 2019 18 hours ago, budjames said: My wife loves the Sony RX100IV that I bought her a few years ago. She takes most of the family and event photos with it. I have the "serious" cameras, Leica M10 and Fuji XT3. We travel a lot. We are leaving to 2 weeks in Scotland and Ireland next month. When we get back, my wife will create a great book as she does for each of our vacations. She is very engaged in our photography "lifestyle". I've been to 54 countries so far. She never questions my gear upgrades over the years as I am a responsible spender. Fortunately, my partnership in a wealth management practices provides the resources to enjoy travel and fine photographic gear. Life is good! Regards, Bud James Please check out my fine art and travel photography at www.budjames.photography or on Instagram at www.instagram.com/budjamesphoto. Sir, I would have Messaged You, but I thought this way would be better. I am sure like many others here we are happy for your success and all the associate goodies that go with same. Sadly some on this Forum are Not so lucky at this time, it might be financial, medical or even something else, so why not just stick to the photographic and not the "I've Been To" etc. etc. etc.. Empty Vessels Make The Most Noise.. - L 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
budjames Posted July 19, 2019 Share #18 Posted July 19, 2019 I like to celebrate the success of individuals, not insult them. However, I apologize if you find my comments offensive, but I think it's your issue. Regards, Bud James Please check out my fine art and travel photography at www.budjames.photography or on Instagram at www.instagram.com/budjamesphoto. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted July 19, 2019 Share #19 Posted July 19, 2019 So, Bud, how much are you up ytd? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tragg Posted July 19, 2019 Author Share #20 Posted July 19, 2019 On 7/18/2019 at 11:31 AM, earleygallery said: It sounds like a preamble to convince yourself not to buy a new Leica! My gear is mostly film but I have some Canon digital bodies, the 'best' of which is a 5D - the original 12.8MP model. This camera was used by many Pro photographers, an awful lot of press, editorial and wedding photos were taken with 5D's. People were more than happy with the results then so why shouldn't it continue to be a viable tool today? (until it packs up one day then I'll upgrade). We need to remember that the camera manufacturers have to keep selling new cameras to survive, and they need something to convince existing users to trade up. A tweak here and there, a new mode, more MP's. You may not need any of that stuff but it's enough to make many people feel dissatisfied with having the old model and that they're missing out. There's enough evidence of that on here whenever a new model is released! Whether camera manufacturers need to keep selling new product is not my problem. Besides a new model isn't necessarily 'better' than an existing model. The M10 suits my needs and I don't see much room for improvement - aside from a longer battery life, which I mentioned in my original post. I might be persuaded to buy Monocrom M10 though... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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