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On 6/26/2019 at 8:30 PM, microview said:

This is a guest reviews so don't blame/credit Steve Huff for it!

The reviewer says  'after using zoom focus assist you can’t get back to normal view by half-pressing the shutter release button. You have to either expose with picture magnified in detail or get back to overall composition using the magnifier button'

Yes: I found this a PITA with M lenses on Z7 – anyway, went back to Leica and 24MP.

You can return to full view, by pressing "i" or Information button at the rear.

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@anickpick Me either, I mostly find his reviews very informative, but an incentive to check other reviewers too. 

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On 6/26/2019 at 3:47 AM, phib said:

Seeing these good results I am thinking getting the adapter for the Z6. Especially for taking pictures of flowers and other things in nature, the foldable display is handy. On the other hand I could just get a Visoflex for the M10 for that... but another side effect would be to have two cameras with good lenses on them so the need to switch lenses all the time would be gone.

Nice, but I’m not sure the Visoflex can compare to the z6’s EVF.  the Nikons is pretty sharp and not too laggy in good light.  It’s a much diff experience than the viso, if the z6’s is like the z7’s which I’ve mounted a few M lenses on with solid results. 

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The Z7's EVF is far superior compared with the Visoflex (I can directly compare these), and while I'm only going on memory it is also easily as good as the SL. I got my SL primarily to integrate my collections of various lenses around a single body and the whole thing was a big disappointment, especially the enormous size of the native SL lenses. The Nikon Z7 on the other hand is like a breath of fresh air, it's more balanced with M lenses (the body size/mass isn't far off an M10+Visoflex, and you have a hand grip), very easy to use and more feature packed if you need it, more manufacturers are likely to make intelligent adapters for other lenses to the Nikon body, and the kit zoom lens far, far beyond what you think of as a 'kit' lens in terms of IQ. I would advise anybody thinking about it to definitely buy the Z7 kit.

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I thought the 50mm 1.8 lens was outstanding on the Z7 (the 35 a little less so although still good). But after a while I just wanted to revert to M rangefinder so packed it all off to Aperture (London) for commission sale hoping to put money towards M10P. Still no takers in spite of very low prices asked. :(

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vor 7 Stunden schrieb 250swb:

The Z7's EVF is far superior compared with the Visoflex (I can directly compare these), and while I'm only going on memory it is also easily as good as the SL.

3,686,400 dots for the Z EVF. Not a biggie in terms of less resolution than the SL EVF, but visibly worse when one magnifies to focus manually with M lenses. The image one sees in the EVF magnified isn’t sharp enough and one is reliant on focus peaking which is so poorly implemented that it doesn’t work at focal lengths of 35 mm and wider. It’s a real pain. 

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1 hour ago, Chaemono said:

3,686,400 dots for the Z EVF. Not a biggie in terms of less resolution than the SL EVF, but visibly worse when one magnifies to focus manually with M lenses. The image one sees in the EVF magnified isn’t sharp enough and one is reliant on focus peaking which is so poorly implemented that it doesn’t work at focal lengths of 35 mm and wider. It’s a real pain. 

Focus peaking is no guarantee of successful focus on any system, usually magnification does the trick and it is easily managed on the Z camera with any 3rd party manual focus lens.

i swapped SL601 for Z7, yes Z7 EVF has less pixels than SL but it is perfectly fit for purpose and other features in the small Z7 body leave SL far behind, like IBIS, LENR, excellent compatibility with wast range of AF lenses, compatibility with flash systems, and to keep it LUF friendly even excellent compatibility with many M lenses.

As stated above, post by 250swb, Z7 and M camera fitted with external visoflex are not much different in size or weight.

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16 hours ago, Chaemono said:

one is reliant on focus peaking which is so poorly implemented that it doesn’t work at focal lengths of 35 mm and wider. It’s a real pain. 

?

Baffled I had to just go and double check using a Zeiss 21mm and can confirm that focus peaking works fine with the Z7 at any focal length. Two obvious things come to mind, you can alter the sensitivity of the peaking and I admit the default level is a little anemic. Change it to '3' and it is very similar to the M10. And of course the wider lenses need the aperture opening fully or you simply battle the lens DOF, everything from foreground to background is surrounded in red at f/8, but at f/2.8 all is well, but this is so with the SL or M10 using a manual lens and focus peaking as well. 

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What about the Leica designed sensors with side looking cells at the borders? The wide angle M-lenses are the problem. Also at the Z7?

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This is taken with Z7 and Summilux M 28mm, probably stopped down to f5.6 of f8.  Landscape is hazy yet image is crisp into the distance.  To fit LUF restriction of 1280 pixels on long edge it is reduced to 15% 

For scale, Isle of Portland which is seen on the horizon is 4 miles or 6 kilometres across - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isle_of_Portland.

To see picture at max pixels see my Flickr post:- 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/17002757@N08/48170309506/sizes/l

 

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On 6/29/2019 at 4:32 PM, Chaemono said:

3,686,400 dots for the Z EVF. Not a biggie in terms of less resolution than the SL EVF, but visibly worse when one magnifies to focus manually with M lenses. The image one sees in the EVF magnified isn’t sharp enough and one is reliant on focus peaking which is so poorly implemented that it doesn’t work at focal lengths of 35 mm and wider. It’s a real pain. 

That is not my experience with the Z7. The finder is superb and focussing not an issue, at least for the lenses I tried (up to 180mm).

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It appears that M lenses (in this case a 20 year old lens) can handle a 40+ Mega pixel sensor. 

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Those ad hominem attacks make me suspect that the Z7 is very good indeed. Its sensor stack is rather thin (1,1mm IINW) so it should do better with M lenses than other non Leica cameras, at the exception of Kolari modded ones though.

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I just deleted some posts about Steve Huff's other fields of business. 

I can't check all sources but if according to German law some posts were close to defamation.

As I am responsible in legal terms for anything said here in the forum, please refrain from such allegations. I can't judge if they are correct but I'll definitely won't go to court for that.

Andreas

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1 hour ago, lct said:

Those ad hominem attacks make me suspect that the Z7 is very good indeed. Its sensor stack is rather thin (1,1mm IINW) so it should do better with M lenses than other non Leica cameras, at the exception of Kolari modded ones though.

I posted this news on the SL forum earlier but Sean Reid has started his mega-review of the Z7 and seems to be very excited about the prospects for M lenses (in fact all rangefinder lenses). In the first part he's dealt with it's performance with some of the Nikon Z lenses. 

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On 6/28/2019 at 2:23 AM, anickpick said:

 

It is not my intention to offend anyone, but I can find more petty and immature comments and verbal abuse in this forum than on Steve's website.

Hve you visit DPR forums? This is a walk in the park.

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Actually the person who review that 50mm M lens with the Z7 was Juraj Vohnout, not Steve Huff. Anyway, 50mm also works wonders with my Sony A7Rii, sadly anything wider, like my 35mm,  has pretty bad corners. If you crop a little (close to 40mm) then it is fine.

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12 minutes ago, microview said:

Started a Customer Forum thread on Reid's extensive review of the Z7 (no responses so far).

Any link to your thread?

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Check out Sean Reid’s z7 with 28 Elmarit review.  It’s decent.  Unfortunately it’s the old 28 Elmarit, which is tougher on mirrorless. 

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