fotografr Posted June 18, 2019 Share #1 Posted June 18, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) This is a continuation of something that was discussed in another thread, but I think it deserves it's own space. I've been shooting JPG with Monochrom "On" and being quite happy with how much I'm able to get from the files without a lot of work. I've basically been using one of my M10 bodies as a M10M. Today I was out walking near my home and shot the below image, then did a bit of work in Silver Efex, along with some Photoshop adjustments like burning, dodging and curves. The finished image took less than five minutes. Some initial adjustments were done when I opened the image in ACR. I've found that when underexposing by about two-thirds stop, there are no blown highlights and a lot can be pulled from the shadows. Feel free to try it and post your results here. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 10 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/298447-maleability-of-m10-jpg-files/?do=findComment&comment=3762044'>More sharing options...
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Fedro Posted June 19, 2019 Share #2 Posted June 19, 2019 did you compare how much you would have been able to pull from the shadow out of the dng file? just curious .. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted June 19, 2019 Share #3 Posted June 19, 2019 “a lot can be pulled from the shadows,” yes, one can brighten the image to reveal the shadows and it suits your style. Together with you PP skills, your images look nice. But no details can be pulled from the Shadows. Then, again, the pictures would have a different mood which doesn’t suit your style. So, the M10 monochrome JPEGs work for you. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografr Posted June 19, 2019 Author Share #4 Posted June 19, 2019 (edited) 7 hours ago, Fedro said: did you compare how much you would have been able to pull from the shadow out of the dng file? just curious .. No, because I had the camera set for JPG only. When I first started shooting this way I shot JPG + DNG, but I stopped doing that because I found no advantage to working with the raw file over the jpg. This is only true for b&w work. I'm using one M10 as a monochrom camera. I would not suggest anyone do this for color images. If I was still shooting professionally, I'd want to save DNGs for the future benefit of my clients. But I'm only shooting for myself now and I'm getting results I'm happy with from my JPG files. Edited June 19, 2019 by fotografr 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografr Posted June 19, 2019 Author Share #5 Posted June 19, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Chaemono said: “a lot can be pulled from the shadows,” yes, one can brighten the image to reveal the shadows and it suits your style. Together with you PP skills, your images look nice. But no details can be pulled from the Shadows. I disagree. Look at the lower left portion of the original image and compare it to the adjusted one. That's a good deal more than just brightened. Also, I do not consider myself to be highly skilled at PP. I've never enjoyed spending huge amounts of time working on images and skill level is mid-range at best. Edited June 19, 2019 by fotografr Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 19, 2019 Share #6 Posted June 19, 2019 14 hours ago, fotografr said: This is a continuation of something that was discussed in another thread, but I think it deserves it's own space. I've been shooting JPG with Monochrom "On" and being quite happy with how much I'm able to get from the files without a lot of work. I've basically been using one of my M10 bodies as a M10M. Today I was out walking near my home and shot the below image, then did a bit of work in Silver Efex, along with some Photoshop adjustments like burning, dodging and curves. The finished image took less than five minutes. Some initial adjustments were done when I opened the image in ACR. I've found that when underexposing by about two-thirds stop, there are no blown highlights and a lot can be pulled from the shadows. Feel free to try it and post your results here. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Yes, but in what way is developing from JPG faster or easier than simply hitting "auto" and pushing the monochrome button on import and taking it from there on the raw file? I don't see any difference in the workflow, only in the result. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografr Posted June 19, 2019 Author Share #7 Posted June 19, 2019 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) 9 minutes ago, jaapv said: Yes, but in what why is developing from JPG faster or easier than simply hitting "auto" on import and taking it from there on the raw file? I don't see any difference in the workflow, only in the result. It's not easier or faster. It's the same. The reason I've been doing this is that having my camera set this way forces me to think b&w, just as when shooting with the MM1 or 246. What I see on the LCD is a b&w image, and since I know I'm not going to have a color option when I get on my computer to process, I don't even consider shooting pretty sunsets or flowers, etc. I find myself looking for scenes that work as b&w. It's just a mindset. Edited June 19, 2019 by fotografr Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 19, 2019 Share #8 Posted June 19, 2019 Yes - but it will do this just as well when you set the camera to DNG+JPG (B&W) You can develop that Pulitzer Prize shot optimally if needed in that case. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted June 19, 2019 Share #9 Posted June 19, 2019 vor 12 Minuten schrieb fotografr: ..., and since I know I'm not going to have a color option when I get on my computer to process,... Maybe you have a special edition or a firmware hack. 😁 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 19, 2019 Share #10 Posted June 19, 2019 Maybe you deserve a Monochrom1? That is still the best B&W camera ever built. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted June 19, 2019 Share #11 Posted June 19, 2019 1 hour ago, jaapv said: Maybe you deserve a Monochrom1? That is still the best B&W camera ever built. Best black and white digital camera ever made. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 19, 2019 Share #12 Posted June 19, 2019 Black-and-white analog cameras never existed, only B&W film 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted June 19, 2019 Share #13 Posted June 19, 2019 And the cameras it was used in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 19, 2019 Share #14 Posted June 19, 2019 I used to put colour film in them... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted June 19, 2019 Share #15 Posted June 19, 2019 You’re young. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark II Posted June 19, 2019 Share #16 Posted June 19, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, jaapv said: Yes - but it will do this just as well when you set the camera to DNG+JPG (B&W) You can develop that Pulitzer Prize shot optimally if needed in that case. If you set the M10 to record RAW-only, but also configure it for B&W JPEGs, you will see B&W on the LCD/EVF while the RAW files are of course unchanged. I sometimes do this when shooting monochrome digital in live-view to help make the focus peaking more easily visible. I do not see any advantage in shooting JPEG with these cameras, particularly now that even iOS will automatically handle Leica RAW files. Edited June 19, 2019 by Mark II 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografr Posted June 19, 2019 Author Share #17 Posted June 19, 2019 2 hours ago, jaapv said: Maybe you deserve a Monochrom1? That is still the best B&W camera ever built. I've owned two of them. I'm not seeing a disadvantage to using the M10 as a Monochrom camera at this point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografr Posted June 19, 2019 Author Share #18 Posted June 19, 2019 6 minutes ago, Mark II said: If you set the M10 to record RAW-only, but also configure it for B&W JPEGs, you will see B&W on the LCD/EVF while the RAW files are of course unchanged. I sometimes do this when shooting monochrome digital in live-view to help make the focus peaking more easily visible. I do not see any advantage in shooting JPEG with these cameras, particularly now that even iOS will automatically handle Leica RAW files. True, but when I know I have a color option it changes my thought process when shooting. When I first started shooting nearly 40 years ago, all I shot was b&w film. I looked for scenes that worked for b&w in terms of contrast, tonal range and texture. I just saw things differently. When I started shooting color, I found myself looking for pretty flowers, sunsets and sunrises. As I said, it's just a mindset. In terms of quality, you're correct. There's no advantage in shooting JPG. Conversely, I can't find an advantage to shooting b&w RAW. In terms of handling the files on my computer, there's a clear advantage to shooting JPG files. They take up a lot less space on my SD card and when I download a couple of hundred images it's practically instantaneous. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografr Posted June 19, 2019 Author Share #19 Posted June 19, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Chaemono said: Maybe you have a special edition or a firmware hack. 😁 ??? When you set the camera to JPG only and turn Monochrom "on" you do not have a color option in post. Edited June 19, 2019 by fotografr Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografr Posted June 19, 2019 Author Share #20 Posted June 19, 2019 (edited) I went out a few minutes ago and shot one frame with the camera set for DNG + JPG. I used identical post processing with each image and I'm hard pressed to see any difference in the result, except that for some reason one is slightly brighter. The first image below is the DNG after processing. The second is the JPG after the same processing. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited June 19, 2019 by fotografr 2 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/298447-maleability-of-m10-jpg-files/?do=findComment&comment=3762438'>More sharing options...
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