Michael Geschlecht Posted June 6, 2019 Share #21 Posted June 6, 2019 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) 11 minutes ago, Jeff S said: Our old friend Lars recommended this ‘sniper’ technique that provides more than a stop benefit... Jeff Hello Jeff, I remember when he wrote that. The way that I am suggesting is slightly different than his suggestion. His suggestion is partially to help to carry & distribute the weight of a rifle. My camera & lens weigh less. I adjust the strap with it on my left shoulder (I am right handed.) with the lens pointing away from me. I look thru the range/viewfinder window with my right eye. Both systems work. His is better with a heavy rifle. People should try both & see which works better for them. Best Regards, Michael Edited June 6, 2019 by Michael Geschlecht Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jeff S Posted June 6, 2019 Share #22 Posted June 6, 2019 I tried his technique with my M and it resulted in more than a stop difference. But handholding without special strap technique generally suffices for my needs. Whatever works. I was merely presenting an option. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Geschlecht Posted June 6, 2019 Share #23 Posted June 6, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Jeff S said: I tried his technique with my M and it resulted in more than a stop difference. But handholding without special strap technique generally suffices for my needs. Whatever works. I was merely presenting an option. Jeff Hello Jeff, If you notice I said "at least a stop". People should try both ways. That is 1 of the reasons that many shoulder straps are adjustable. I find that his method is too cumbersome for me because whether it gives more stability, or not, it takes too long & is too complex & too confining for me. I prefer the added speed & lack of complexity of the left shoulder system that I explained. By the way, we can all take good photos without either of the strap configurations. But, just as whatever photo that you take is better if you can take it on a properly damped tripod: Any photo that you can take with a shoulder strap bracing you, whichever method you choose, will be a better photo. Best Regards, Michael Edited June 6, 2019 by Michael Geschlecht Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted June 6, 2019 Share #24 Posted June 6, 2019 I already said whatever works; it’s just an option. Simple.Don’t need a debate. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LBJ2 Posted June 6, 2019 Share #25 Posted June 6, 2019 1 hour ago, Michael Geschlecht said: Hello LBJ2, I also like to carry a camera in my hand. But I do it with a shoulder strap on the camera. I adjust the shoulder strap so that when the thin strap, with no pad, is on my shoulder & the camera/lens is up against my eye: I have to pull the strap taught (But not too taught.) in order to hold it in place. I find that this strap tightened against my shoulder, when the eyepiece is at my eye, gives me at least +1 stop of added stability. When I am carrying the camera in between photo: The shoulder strap is looped around my carrying wrist. Which is an extra protection in terms of dropping, etc. Best Regards, Michael Interesting approach! I'm always interested to hear how others use their gear. These little Rangefinders give us a lot of flexibility with what we can do with this gear. I didn't mention in my last post that I also use the M10 handgrip which is probably why going around with the wrist strap is a bit more comfortable for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Barnack Posted June 6, 2019 Share #26 Posted June 6, 2019 (edited) I have used my Noctilux f/1.0 as my 50mm lens for a number of years; it's not been that big of a problem since I always have my 35 'cron or my 28 Elmarit mounted for my lightweight one lens, one camera walking around setup. Just yesterday, FedEx brought me a new black 50/2.4 Summarit. This is a fantastic little lens and my 50mm weight issue has been resolved. Now I can carry my M-P 240, 28/2.8 (or 35/2) and my 50/2.4 in my Bill Had Pro without feeling like an overburdened draft horse. Edited June 6, 2019 by Herr Barnack Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 7, 2019 Share #27 Posted June 7, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) 13 hours ago, sblutter said: Try a lighter lens. I got tired of a sore shoulder during trips when I have the camera on me all day & evening Now I'm going with the collapsible 50 Elmait-M (2.8). Plenty of Boka... the rig fits in the pocket of a bush jacket and I love the results. Just shot almost 800 shots in Provence over 3 weeks. Also added a rope strap, very comfortable I have that lens too...........nice lens Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 7, 2019 Share #28 Posted June 7, 2019 13 hours ago, Michael Geschlecht said: Hello Jeff, I remember when he wrote that. The way that I am suggesting is slightly different than his suggestion. His suggestion is partially to help to carry & distribute the weight of a rifle. My camera & lens weigh less. I adjust the strap with it on my left shoulder (I am right handed.) with the lens pointing away from me. I look thru the range/viewfinder window with my right eye. Both systems work. His is better with a heavy rifle. People should try both & see which works better for them. Best Regards, Michael Michael Whether you carry it over one shoulder, around your neck or in your hand the M10 with the Noctilux is still a brick..............The Q2 that gives me as nice pictures weights less than have (Im sure someone mentioned the exact weight difference with or without a diopter). Neil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Chaemono Posted June 7, 2019 Share #30 Posted June 7, 2019 The air pockets and the material of this strap make any FF combo over the shoulder feel light: https://www.amazon.de/Hama-Kameragurt-Neopren-längenverstellbar-Luftpolster/dp/B00006JAC7/ref=mp_s_a_1_5?hvadid=174400333853&hvdev=m&hvlocphy=9044545&hvnetw=g&hvpos=1t1&hvqmt=b&hvrand=13968235310551333948&hvtargid=kwd-1309513727&keywords=hama+neopren&qid=1559903668&s=gateway&sr=8-5 The Q2’s bouget looks a bit nervous IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedaes Posted June 7, 2019 Share #31 Posted June 7, 2019 14 hours ago, Jeff S said: Our old friend Lars recommended this ‘sniper’ technique, which provides more than a stop benefit... Jeff I do miss Lars! 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmradman Posted June 7, 2019 Share #32 Posted June 7, 2019 On 6/5/2019 at 3:17 PM, NigelG said: Bear in mind that plenty of people seem happy to walk around with a Billingham Hadley pro - which weighs 1.1kg empty..... It just happens that Hadley bag straps are 36 mm wide while Leica M straps are 11 mm wide. So maybe load distribution afforded by the wider strap plus the bulk of the bag makes for more pleasant lugging experience. Measured both strap widths before writing it in the post. On the side note every time i receive camera or lens shipment by courier big box feels empty, to the point i feel i have been sent empty box, until l i opened it up and extract the well padded "brick". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted June 7, 2019 Share #33 Posted June 7, 2019 5 minutes ago, mmradman said: Hadley bag straps are 36 mm wide while Leica M straps are 11 mm wide My M10 Leica brand strap is 21mm wide in the middle, where the logo is embossed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmradman Posted June 7, 2019 Share #34 Posted June 7, 2019 10 minutes ago, pico said: My M10 Leica brand strap is 21mm wide in the middle, where the logo is embossed. Yes, the wide part wider than strap but it is short in length, usually some 150 mm (6") long. In case of Hadley there is an optional strap padding which is 65 mm wide and 250 mm long. At times, when overloaded, I find bag comfortable without extra padding as it adds extra bumps. M camera with normal lens like a 35 or 50mm Summilux is very comfortable with standard narrow strap fitted with logo widening bit. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 7, 2019 Share #35 Posted June 7, 2019 3 minutes ago, mmradman said: Yes, the wide part wider than strap but it is short in length, usually some 150 mm (6") long. In case of Hadley there is an optional strap padding which is 65 mm wide and 250 mm long. At times, when overloaded, I find bag comfortable without extra padding as it adds extra bumps. M camera with normal lens like a 35 or 50mm Summilux is very comfortable with standard narrow strap fitted with logo widening bit. Q2 doesn’t require a bag Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 7, 2019 Share #36 Posted June 7, 2019 While we’re talking about bags I have the Harley Pro. I also have the Harley small and the latter was my choice of bag when I traveled with the M10 plus Noctilux N eil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LBJ2 Posted June 7, 2019 Share #37 Posted June 7, 2019 (edited) 36 minutes ago, NW67 said: Q2 doesn’t require a bag No bag required...It is what it is 😁 Beautiful FF sensor and perfect for lightweight walk around/travel 28, 35 and 50 FL and macro. Not sure about 75mm FL as I haven't seen many samples. But IMO, doesn't get much better than this for Full Frame fixed-lens flexibility. Personally, I've never considered fixed-lens... until the Q2. With that said. I redirected my money to the Noctilux 50 f 0,95 instead. Q2 will have to wait for me. I'm still on the f0,95 honeymoon 🤩 Edited June 7, 2019 by LBJ2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
g2van Posted June 7, 2019 Share #38 Posted June 7, 2019 I have the Noctilux v3 which is slightly lighter than the 0.95. I carry it cross strapped and find this way much more comfortable than round the neck. Used it this way all day in NYC in summer and it was ok. Noct is perhaps not an everyday, all day lens for most people; it's a specialty/special occasion lens, for night, for a specific look. I have a "barbell" approach to my 50s - a Noct and a 50/2.8 elmar - one big, one tiny. I tried the 50lux, loved it but current barbell 2x50 gives me more of what I want. Finally, one must not forget what the body gets used to ... if you try shooting all day with the Noct for a month, I'm quite sure you will have a far more accurate picture of what works for you, rather than a day here and there. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linford Posted June 8, 2019 Share #39 Posted June 8, 2019 I’ve been carrying the Noctilux for years through the M9, M240, M10 and now M10-D, even on the SL. It is much easier with a slightly longer strap worn across the body. I wear every combo that way now. Just a suggestion. IMO the Noctilux is worth the weight. Cheers—lt 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 8, 2019 Share #40 Posted June 8, 2019 13 minutes ago, Linford said: IMO the Noctilux is worth the weight. Cheers—lt It definitely is Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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