Upcoming M10X with 47MP?

[dkmoore]

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1 hour ago, digbyhp said:

Thanks, but I would still prefer full-frame with a native mount, and the CL styling is a bit clunky compared to the M, though I will continue to keep an eye on CL developments. 

 My target price point might well be too optimistic, but my point is really that there maybe an opportunity to greatly expand the M customer base if they had the sort of model and price-point I'm suggesting. I guess with their array of system choices these days, cannibilisation is always on their mind.

 

I don't disagree with your point and would also love to have more money in my pocket for more M lenses. But that said, Leica's only attempt at "lower" prices has been the lines below the M.

Edited June 17, 2019 by dkmoore

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How does the M10X line up with the M10E? Same or still hope?

[jdlaing]

What M10X?

I can pretty safely say you will never get a M edition with a different sensor other that maybe black and white but it will be the same size with regard to megapixels. 

[6bit]

The rumored EVF in the M form factor. 

[Chaemono]

cameraegg.com? The hit rate is about 10 percent. 

[6bit]

• No new Leica M11 in 2020 but there could be a new Leica M10X with a 47MP sensor rumored for Photokina 2020 (not sure what X stands for - maybe "xtra resolution").

above posted to Leica Rumors. I have no idea how accurate this is but it has me hoping.

I think the MP will increase in the M like every other camera made. No one is reducing the MPs offered. 

 

 

[jdlaing]

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1 hour ago, 6bit said:

• No new Leica M11 in 2020 but there could be a new Leica M10X with a 47MP sensor rumored for Photokina 2020 (not sure what X stands for - maybe "xtra resolution").

above posted to Leica Rumors. I have no idea how accurate this is but it has me hoping.

I think the MP will increase in the M like every other camera made. No one is reducing the MPs offered. 

 

 

Keep hoping.

[cirke]

On 6/12/2019 at 12:53 PM, IkarusJohn said:

Not something I particularly rate, I’m afraid ...

these are the only serious tests

[james.liam]

On 6/12/2019 at 10:25 AM, jdlaing said:

Never happen.

On 6/25/2019 at 9:44 PM, jdlaing said:

What M10X?

I can pretty safely say you will never get a M edition with a different sensor other that maybe black and white but it will be the same size with regard to megapixels. 

 

I'd have to agree, especially with the fastest shutter speed at 1/4000th of a second. Monster-sized files and movement artifact that's amplified without IBIS. 

Edited June 30, 2019 by james.liam

[pico]

11 minutes ago, james.liam said:

I'd have to agree, especially with the fastest shutter speed at 1/4000th of a second. Monster-sized files and movement artifact that's amplified without IBIS. 

I never imagined 1/4000th of a second would be inadequate, and I have a tremor!
Great-Granddaughter spreading Grandmothers funeral ashes  1/4000

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[james.liam]

For the purposes of a high megapixel sensor it might. 

[jaapv]

6 hours ago, cirke said:

these are the only serious tests

But not very much representative of real life photography in my experience. 

[cirke]

5 hours ago, jaapv said:

But not very much representative of real life photography in my experience. 

they never said this, they are measuring sensors and lenses  and they are the best in this category 
for  high ISO their measurements are reliable and are not fantasies of forums

[jaapv]

For sensors I prefer Photonstophotos.

[pico]

23 hours ago, james.liam said:

For the purposes of a high megapixel sensor it might. 

James, I think it all depends upon the well established metric - with degree-of-enlargement and viewing distance. Do any of us present images that evince image degradation due to great resolution? Examples supporting your assertion would be appreciated.

[james.liam]

1 hour ago, pico said:

James, I think it all depends upon the well established metric - with degree-of-enlargement and viewing distance. Do any of us present images that evince image degradation due to great resolution? Examples supporting your assertion would be appreciated.

I've never owned anything higher than 24MP but when the D800 arrived, this was the discussion. As the pixels became smaller, tinier motion would degrade the image

[pico]

1 hour ago, james.liam said:

I've never owned anything higher than 24MP but when the D800 arrived, this was the discussion. As the pixels became smaller, tinier motion would degrade the image

Okay. All is good. We will be here long enough to work this out. I look forward to learning, for better or worse.

[james.liam]

Did a little more reading and the motion artifact concerns were overblown. 

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On 5/8/2019 at 1:41 AM, LBJ2 said:

“Panasonic has chosen a new high-resolution 47.3MP CMOS sensor for the Lumix DC-S1R—one that challenges the class-leading sensors in the Sony A7R III and the Nikon Z 7. Intriguingly, it combines attributes of both of its rivals (with some nuances) and achieves near-identical performance results overall.

 

So it's a sensor made to be best with telecentric lenses, just as the SL and the Nikon Z7 are. And if we assume the next SL is also a 47mp Panasonic sensor then Leica are introducing their customers to the crossover point when the sensor in the M body isn't specifically designed for M lenses, but it's good enough. So basically for form and function (and price) get an M adapter and buy a either Panasonic or a Nikon.

Edited July 2, 2019 by 250swb

[Dirk Mandeville]

On 6/25/2019 at 8:44 PM, jdlaing said:

I can pretty safely say you will never get a M edition with a different sensor other that maybe black and white but it will be the same size with regard to megapixels. 

That is hilariously short-sighted. I’m sure before the M8 came out there were people saying we would never see a digital M camera. And before the M240, there were no doubt some people thinking (or hoping) we would never see a CMOS sensor or video in an M.  And today there are people who think we will never see an M camera with an evf or hybrid viewfinder, which I expect is coming at some point.  

The ONLY thing you can safely say is that Leica will produce whatever they decide is necessary to keep the M line relevant and popular with their customers.  That may very well mean a higher resolution sensor and/or an evf or hybrid viewfinder at some point. Never say never.