dkmoore Posted June 11, 2019 Share #101 Posted June 11, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) Let's be honest with ourselves here, IF the Leica M cameras and lenses weren't so damn sexy, none of us would be using them (some exaggeration included). 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted June 11, 2019 Posted June 11, 2019 Hi dkmoore, Take a look here Upcoming M10X with 47MP?. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
ELAN Posted June 11, 2019 Share #102 Posted June 11, 2019 I would much rather have an improved 24MP sensor with greater dynamic range and iso capabilities than the Panasonic 47MP sensor. 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwesi Posted June 12, 2019 Share #103 Posted June 12, 2019 The Panasonic 47mp sensor give you more color depth, more dynamic range and better high iso performance than the M10 sensor. Maybe Leica will please everyone by offering a "small raw (24mp)" option in the next M 😀 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted June 12, 2019 Share #104 Posted June 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Kwesi said: The Panasonic 47mp sensor give you more color depth, more dynamic range and better high iso performance than the M10 sensor. Maybe Leica will please everyone by offering a "small raw (24mp)" option in the next M 😀 Based on what? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted June 12, 2019 Share #105 Posted June 12, 2019 vor 17 Stunden schrieb dkmoore: Let's be honest with ourselves here, IF the Leica M cameras and lenses weren't so damn sexy, none of us would be using them (some exaggeration included). No honestly, " sexy" was the last thing I would think of when I bought my Leica's . Never even considered it. There are a lot of adjectives more suitable for a Leica M IMHO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwesi Posted June 12, 2019 Share #106 Posted June 12, 2019 6 hours ago, IkarusJohn said: Based on what? https://www.dxomark.com/Cameras/Compare/Side-by-side/Leica-M10-versus-Panasonic-Lumix-DC-S1R___1207_1294 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted June 12, 2019 Share #107 Posted June 12, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) Not something I particularly rate, I’m afraid ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ELAN Posted June 12, 2019 Share #108 Posted June 12, 2019 10 hours ago, Kwesi said: The Panasonic 47mp sensor give you more color depth, more dynamic range and better high iso performance than the M10 sensor. I have been following with interest the images coming from the Q2 and have yet to see that dynamic range or high iso performance is better than images from my M10 and 28 lux. Given the choice of an awesome 24MP sensor and 25 MB files or the Panasonic 47MP sensor and 90 MB files I will gladly choose the former and even pay more for it... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted June 12, 2019 Share #109 Posted June 12, 2019 vor 11 Stunden schrieb Kwesi: The Panasonic 47mp sensor give you more color depth, more dynamic range and better high iso performance than the M10 sensor. Maybe Leica will please everyone by offering a "small raw (24mp)" option in the next M 😀 Yes, more color depth but also more noise. The S1 is the camera that beats the M10 for color depth and less noise at base ISO and high ISO. In terms of capturing clean Highlights and Shadow detail, I have yet to see a FF camera that beats the M10 in the ISO 200 to 640 range. I don’t think these Panasonic sensor capture Highlights as well except at base ISO. I think like the Q2, they tend to blow them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkmoore Posted June 12, 2019 Share #110 Posted June 12, 2019 (edited) 7 hours ago, Paulus said: No honestly, " sexy" was the last thing I would think of when I bought my Leica's . Never even considered it. There are a lot of adjectives more suitable for a Leica M IMHO. Ha, ok. Edited June 12, 2019 by dkmoore Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwesi Posted June 12, 2019 Share #111 Posted June 12, 2019 2 hours ago, ELAN said: I have been following with interest the images coming from the Q2 and have yet to see that dynamic range or high iso performance is better than images from my M10 and 28 lux. Given the choice of an awesome 24MP sensor and 25 MB files or the Panasonic 47MP sensor and 90 MB files I will gladly choose the former and even pay more for it... My point was that you may be able to have both choices in the next M Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted June 12, 2019 Share #112 Posted June 12, 2019 Never happen. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikelevitt Posted June 14, 2019 Share #113 Posted June 14, 2019 On 6/8/2019 at 10:41 AM, pico said: I have not questioned Luke's technical information before but I must admit I'm stuck with the impression that apparent motion blur due to high pixel counts depends entirely upon degree of enlargement and to see the effect requires enlargements we very rarely use. I'm open-minded and should I ever get a FF camera with ~50MP I will likely find out. Until then, skepticism is in place. I shoot a 50mp 5Ds. And I do not double my shutter speed, that's frankly absurd. And your point about degree of enlargement is right on, but again, when you enlarge more, you generally are looking at the print from farther away, so it kind of evens out... 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digbyhp Posted June 16, 2019 Share #114 Posted June 16, 2019 I would love to see an EVF native M-mount camera, but as long as it is priced reasonably. I am a film M shooter and need an excuse to add a digital M but the M10 is too expensive. If the next gen M10 moved to 47 mp and Leica introduced a 24mp EVF M-mount at about 6-7k AUD, I would be a buyer and I think it would open up a new market for the M. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
otto.f Posted June 16, 2019 Share #115 Posted June 16, 2019 On 6/11/2019 at 8:09 PM, ELAN said: I would much rather have an improved 24MP sensor with greater dynamic range and iso capabilities than the Panasonic 47MP sensor. A better white balance and a real neutral color profile would be worth Leica’s efforts too 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
6bit Posted June 16, 2019 Share #116 Posted June 16, 2019 On 6/12/2019 at 9:27 AM, Chaemono said: In terms of capturing clean Highlights and Shadow detail, I have yet to see a FF camera that beats the M10 in the ISO 200 to 640 range. I don’t think these Panasonic sensor capture Highlights as well except at base ISO. I think like the Q2, they tend to blow them. Crazy talk. Sony a7R -a7Riii beats the M10 in any category I can think of in the image quality discussion. That one example. Lets not chug chug too hard on the kool-aid. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted June 16, 2019 Share #117 Posted June 16, 2019 (edited) vor 8 Minuten schrieb 6bit: Crazy talk. Sony a7R -a7Riii beats the M10 in any category I can think of in the image quality discussion. That one example. Lets not chug chug too hard on the kool-aid. I’ll just repost the links to the RAW files. I have like 140 pairs in that ISO range. Thanks for your reply. Edit - let’s start with #158 here: Edited June 16, 2019 by Chaemono Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
6bit Posted June 16, 2019 Share #118 Posted June 16, 2019 http://www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR.htm#Leica M10,Sony ILCE-7M3 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkmoore Posted June 16, 2019 Share #119 Posted June 16, 2019 9 hours ago, digbyhp said: I would love to see an EVF native M-mount camera, but as long as it is priced reasonably. I am a film M shooter and need an excuse to add a digital M but the M10 is too expensive. If the next gen M10 moved to 47 mp and Leica introduced a 24mp EVF M-mount at about 6-7k AUD, I would be a buyer and I think it would open up a new market for the M. Leica had the M-E running simultaneously to the M240 but I believe the price was $5,450, which is still more than your $7AUD. That was about 6-8 years ago so I sincerely doubt a new Leica M Camera will ever get to that price point. CL with 2-3 lenses can be had new for $7AUD and checks your EVF button with just as good image quality and you can adapt your M lenses. I guess you don't have to wait for a "cheap" M. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digbyhp Posted June 16, 2019 Share #120 Posted June 16, 2019 5 hours ago, dkmoore said: Leica had the M-E running simultaneously to the M240 but I believe the price was $5,450, which is still more than your $7AUD. That was about 6-8 years ago so I sincerely doubt a new Leica M Camera will ever get to that price point. CL with 2-3 lenses can be had new for $7AUD and checks your EVF button with just as good image quality and you can adapt your M lenses. I guess you don't have to wait for a "cheap" M. Thanks, but I would still prefer full-frame with a native mount, and the CL styling is a bit clunky compared to the M, though I will continue to keep an eye on CL developments. My target price point might well be too optimistic, but my point is really that there maybe an opportunity to greatly expand the M customer base if they had the sort of model and price-point I'm suggesting. I guess with their array of system choices these days, cannibilisation is always on their mind. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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