Gobert Posted May 17, 2020 Share #41 Posted May 17, 2020 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) But still no M10 monochrom in the list..... that’s why the topic started. I don’t care about lens modules, but that it lacks Monochrom support is unforgivable. Edited May 17, 2020 by Gobert Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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marchyman Posted May 17, 2020 Share #42 Posted May 17, 2020 12 hours ago, Gobert said: I don’t care about lens modules, but that it lacks Monochrom support is unforgivable. When I was checking out various raw processors/editors I discovered they didn't support the M 262, either. It still isn't on their list. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gobert Posted May 17, 2020 Share #43 Posted May 17, 2020 My problem is that I don’t like Adobe Lightroom or PS and C1 is overpriced for my hobby use. What left doesn’t seem to process m10 monochrom files. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeitz Posted May 17, 2020 Share #44 Posted May 17, 2020 Is there a site to download sample .dng files from an M10 Monochrom? I sure would like to explore files from that camera. I had an opportunity to try out a Phase One XF with a 150mp monochrome back. A comparison would be very interesting. (Phase One .iiq raw files can only be open in C1.) Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted May 20, 2020 Share #45 Posted May 20, 2020 I also don’t see the SL2 listed. Jeff Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbarber Posted May 20, 2020 Share #46 Posted May 20, 2020 I see the SL2 listed https://www.captureone.com/en/resources/tech-specs/camera-support-leica Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted May 20, 2020 Share #47 Posted May 20, 2020 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) 28 minutes ago, cbarber said: I see the SL2 listed https://www.captureone.com/en/resources/tech-specs/camera-support-leica This thread, and my comment, are about DXO, not C1. Jeff Edited May 20, 2020 by Jeff S Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbarber Posted May 20, 2020 Share #48 Posted May 20, 2020 13 minutes ago, Jeff S said: This thread, and my comment, are about DXO, not C1. Ah, my mistake. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bart D Posted May 21, 2020 Share #49 Posted May 21, 2020 On 5/17/2020 at 7:57 AM, Gobert said: But still no M10 monochrom in the list..... that’s why the topic started. I don’t care about lens modules, but that it lacks Monochrom support is unforgivable. You can always request to add support for any camera lens combination. If enough people do, they might add it. A camera in itself is never supported. It always starts with a camera-lens combination. Once there is one, the camera will be supported with whatever lens, just not with the specific corrections of the lens on that camera. That is not an issue: I have a good deal of lenses that are not supported and DxO still works excellent. I asked the question on support for the original Monochrom and DxO replied that wouldn't happen because of the lack of cooperation from Leica on the one hand and the Monochrom being too much of a niche product for them to invest in the necessary research. You have to understand that supporting a camera for DxO goes way further than for C1 or LR for instance. I suppose the Monochrom being a niche product still holds true for this 3rd iteration. That's why I use DxO for all my cameras and lenses and C1 for the Monochrom. Works great for me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gobert Posted May 21, 2020 Share #50 Posted May 21, 2020 (edited) C1 is great. But the price tag is less great. But What I really do not understand is that DNG format is not really a standard. Edited May 21, 2020 by Gobert Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeitz Posted May 21, 2020 Share #51 Posted May 21, 2020 DNG is a publicly distributed (non-proprietary) format, maintained and specified by Adobe. (The same is true of TIF.) It is up to a software company, such as DxO, to decide if they want to support it or not and how they support it. Considering things like the Monochrom camera to be a niche product is why DxO is also a niche product and why Adobe is the industry standard. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted May 21, 2020 Share #52 Posted May 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Bart D said: You can always request to add support for any camera lens combination. If enough people do, they might add it. A camera in itself is never supported. It always starts with a camera-lens combination. Once there is one, the camera will be supported with whatever lens, just not with the specific corrections of the lens on that camera. That is not an issue: I have a good deal of lenses that are not supported and DxO still works excellent. I asked the question on support for the original Monochrom and DxO replied that wouldn't happen because of the lack of cooperation from Leica on the one hand and the Monochrom being too much of a niche product for them to invest in the necessary research. You have to understand that supporting a camera for DxO goes way further than for C1 or LR for instance. I suppose the Monochrom being a niche product still holds true for this 3rd iteration. That's why I use DxO for all my cameras and lenses and C1 for the Monochrom. Works great for me. DXO also wrote to me that there was no expectation, short or mid term, to support any Monochrom camera. While they didn’t elaborate, I suspect that a key reason, beyond being a niche within a niche, is that the Monochrom sensor has no Bayer array, which is where their products and the nature of their algorithms shine, and why the Fuji X-Trans (non-Bayer) cameras are similarly problematic. Jeff 2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iRandom Posted May 21, 2020 Share #53 Posted May 21, 2020 I wouldn't expect support for monochrome cameras since, as Jeff said, DxO algorithms are all based around Bayer filters and they tend to avoid novel cameras that don't use Bayer. I'm sure that DxO will eventually add support for the SL2. It took quite a while for the Q2 if I remember correctly. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeitz Posted May 21, 2020 Share #54 Posted May 21, 2020 I believe the only other production monochrome camera is the Phase One Achromatic back. Phase One's raw format is proprietary, and the only software that can open their raw files is Capture One. Nikon tried to do a similar thing when the D3 first came out. The Nikon user outcry quickly put an end to that plan. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted May 23, 2020 Share #55 Posted May 23, 2020 The problem with Monochrom DNGs is that they are linear DNGs, which is a rather obscure part of the DNG format specification. Thus some developers don't add it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gobert Posted June 3, 2020 Share #56 Posted June 3, 2020 Today they released the new version, lacking monochrom support...... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted June 3, 2020 Share #57 Posted June 3, 2020 16 minutes ago, Gobert said: Today they released the new version, lacking monochrom support...... Exactly what they said in advance. No plans to change short or mid term....if ever. Jeff Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bags27 Posted June 3, 2020 Share #58 Posted June 3, 2020 (edited) On 5/21/2020 at 9:41 AM, Bart D said: You can always request to add support for any camera lens combination.If enough people do, they might add it. A camera in itself is never supported. It always starts with a camera-lens combination. Once there is one, the camera will be supported with whatever lens, just not with the specific corrections of the lens on that camera. That is not an issue: I have a good deal of lenses that are not supported and DxO still works excellent. I asked the question on support for the original Monochrom and DxO replied that wouldn't happen because of the lack of cooperation from Leica on the one hand and the Monochrom being too much of a niche product for them to invest in the necessary research. You have to understand that supporting a camera for DxO goes way further than for C1 or LR for instance. I suppose the Monochrom being a niche product still holds true for this 3rd iteration. That's why I use DxO for all my cameras and lenses and C1 for the Monochrom. Works great for me. I have tried to organize support for the CL and I know a number of people requested it. They're nice people, but I've bugged them so much that they've stopped answering my emails. I really liked it when I used my Q more and disappointed it doesn't work for the CL. So, I've stopped upgrading. Edited June 3, 2020 by bags27 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted June 3, 2020 Share #59 Posted June 3, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, bags27 said: I have tried to organize support for the CL and I know a number of people requested it. They're nice people, but I've bugged them so much that they've stopped answering my emails. I really liked it when I used my Q more and disappointed it doesn't work for the CL. So, I've stopped upgrading. Marie candidly responded to my DXO forum questions regarding the Monochrom and the SL2 (see end of linked discussion).... https://feedback.dxo.com/t/delays-in-adding-modules-for-new-cameras-and-lenses/11982/29 I'd say little reason for optimism for Leica products in general. Jeff Edited June 3, 2020 by Jeff S Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bags27 Posted June 3, 2020 Share #60 Posted June 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, Jeff S said: Marie candidly responded to my DXO forum questions regarding the Monochrom and the SL2 (see end of linked discussion).... https://feedback.dxo.com/t/delays-in-adding-modules-for-new-cameras-and-lenses/11982/29 I'd say little reason for optimism for Leica products in general. Jeff Thanks, Jeff. They are, indeed, nice, and I appreciate they have limited human resources. I believe they almost went bankrupt several years ago with a different venture and probably are concentrating on what keeps them in business. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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