Leica Elmarit 21mm f2.8 ASPH 6 bit

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Hello!

Past week I found a Leica Elmarit 21mm f2.8 ASPH 6 bit that was in a shop as exposition lense, so it was completely new and mint condition. I bought it for 1.500€ (about $1,680). 

I have a M10-P and the cam recognizes the lense perfectly. The lense works great but I think Lightroom does not have the lense profile for that Elmarit. Am I right? Any solution?

Thanks in advance.

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[andyturk]

I have a copy of the same lens, but mine is uncoded (for now). What would Lightroom do with the extra information?

 

https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/277150-what-do-we-photograph-on-the-streets/?do=findComment&comment=3706586

 

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https://helpx.adobe.com/x-productkb/multi/lens-profile-support.html

[Gregm61]

18 hours ago, andyturk said:

I have a copy of the same lens, but mine is uncoded (for now). What would Lightroom do with the extra information?

 

The sort answer is,  nothing other than including the lens name in the EXIF data.

I purchased a virtually like-new 21mm f2.8 Elmarit ASPH and sent it to DAG, who 6-bit coded it for me to use on my digital M bodies, primarily an M262.

There is no profile for the 21mm f2.8, ASPH or pre-ASPH Elmarit. You would need to create one for it or find one someone else has created.

Edited April 3, 2019 by Gregm61

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14 hours ago, Gregm61 said:

The sort answer is,  nothing other than including the lens name in the EXIF data.

I purchased a virtually like-new 21mm f2.8 Elmarit ASPH and sent it to DAG, who 6-bit coded it for me to use on my digital M bodies, primarily an M262.

There is no profile for the 21mm f2.8, ASPH or pre-ASPH Elmarit. You would need to create one for it or find one someone else has created.

That's what I though, thanks.

Do you know if there is any downloadable profile in the net?

Thanks again and sorry for troubling you.

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On 4/3/2019 at 1:54 AM, andyturk said:

I have a copy of the same lens, but mine is uncoded (for now). What would Lightroom do with the extra information?

 

https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/277150-what-do-we-photograph-on-the-streets/?do=findComment&comment=3706586

 

Mainly correct the lense defects. 

[Gregm61]

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2 hours ago, Telemetric said:

That's what I though, thanks.

Do you know if there is any downloadable profile in the net?

Thanks again and sorry for troubling you.

I've not. What I have done at times is test images captured with the 21 Elmarit ASPH using the profile for the 21mm f3.4 Super Elmar. I now own the Super Elmar and so do not use the Elmarit all that often, but it is a very nice optic.

21mm Elmarit native file..

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and using the 21mm f3.4 Super Elmar profile..

Native file..

and SEM profile..

and another using the Super Elmar profile, which does do an excellent job with what distortion the Elmarit does not correct optically.

Edited April 4, 2019 by Gregm61

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M10-P, 21mm Elmarit ASPH, Super Elmar profile in Lightroom

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[happymac]

Am 3.4.2019 um 00:48 schrieb Telemetric:

Hello!

Past week I found a Leica Elmarit 21mm f2.8 ASPH 6 bit that was in a shop as exposition lense, so it was completely new and mint condition. I bought it for 1.500€ (about $1,680). 

I have a M10-P and the cam recognizes the lense perfectly. The lense works great but I think Lightroom does not have the lense profile for that Elmarit. Am I right? Any solution?

Thanks in advance.

I created a profile for that lens a few years ago for lightroom. The lens is sold, but the profile is still on my mac. Here it is:

Leica ELMARIT-M 2.8 21 mm ASPH.lcp

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On 4/4/2019 at 1:52 PM, Gregm61 said:

I've not. What I have done at times is test images captured with the 21 Elmarit ASPH using the profile for the 21mm f3.4 Super Elmar. I now own the Super Elmar and so do not use the Elmarit all that often, but it is a very nice optic.

21mm Elmarit native file..

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and using the 21mm f3.4 Super Elmar profile..

Native file..

and SEM profile..

and another using the Super Elmar profile, which does do an excellent job with what distortion the Elmarit does not correct optically.

Yes, I did this but I was not convinced because the aberration is diferent in both lenses.

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On 4/5/2019 at 8:37 PM, happymac said:

I created a profile for that lens a few years ago for lightroom. The lens is sold, but the profile is still on my mac. Here it is:

Leica ELMARIT-M 2.8 21 mm ASPH.lcp 7.71 kB · 5 downloads

Thanks a lot!

 

I really appreciate!

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On 4/5/2019 at 8:37 PM, happymac said:

I created a profile for that lens a few years ago for lightroom. The lens is sold, but the profile is still on my mac. Here it is:

Leica ELMARIT-M 2.8 21 mm ASPH.lcp 7.71 kB · 5 downloads

Do you know where to install it? I have found the folder lenseprofile in my mac but it seems that there is only one general file inside.

 

Sorry for troubling you

Thanks a lot in advance.

[adan]

On 4/2/2019 at 5:54 PM, andyturk said:

I have a copy of the same lens, but mine is uncoded (for now). What would Lightroom do with the extra information?

https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/277150-what-do-we-photograph-on-the-streets/?do=findComment&comment=3706586

What's more important is, what will the camera do with the extra information.

Your two pix (barbershop and crosswalk) show pretty ugly green-cyan stains on the left and right sides. Coding your 21 (or at least selecting it in the camera lens menu) will eliminate those color distortions. Which are not a lens flaw - but an interaction of a film-era short-focus (rangefinder) superwide lens with the structure of a digital sensor. And frankly a much worse picture flaw than a little distortion or color fringing or vignetting (which is what a lens profile might correct in LR).

LR alone cannot fix those color stains after the fact - profile or no profile. You can get additional software to fix that - LR "flat-field" plug-in, or the older Corner-Fix: https://sites.google.com/site/cornerfix/

But coding your lens, or ID-ing it via the menu, fixes that even before the image hits the SD card. Done and dusted. My pre-ASPH 21mm Elmarit-M was the very first lens I had Leica code, back in 2007.

[andyturk]

5 hours ago, adan said:

What's more important is, what will the camera do with the extra information.

Your two pix (barbershop and crosswalk) show pretty ugly green-cyan stains on the left and right sides. Coding your 21 (or at least selecting it in the camera lens menu) will eliminate those color distortions. Which are not a lens flaw - but an interaction of a film-era short-focus (rangefinder) superwide lens with the structure of a digital sensor. And frankly a much worse picture flaw than a little distortion or color fringing or vignetting (which is what a lens profile might correct in LR).

LR alone cannot fix those color stains after the fact - profile or no profile. You can get additional software to fix that - LR "flat-field" plug-in, or the older Corner-Fix: https://sites.google.com/site/cornerfix/

But coding your lens, or ID-ing it via the menu, fixes that even before the image hits the SD card. Done and dusted. My pre-ASPH 21mm Elmarit-M was the very first lens I had Leica code, back in 2007.

I never noticed the green cast on the sides before, but now that you mention it, it's fairly obvious in the barbership pic. Interestingly, I did configure the lens in the camera's menu and the metadata in Lightroom shows the correct lens. However, Lightroom doesn't have a profile for the 21/2.8 ASPH, so I've been using the one for the Super Elmar. Toggling "Enable Profile Corrections" on and off doesn't seem to affect the greenish cast though.

[happymac]

vor 10 Stunden schrieb Telemetric:

Do you know where to install it? I have found the folder lenseprofile in my mac but it seems that there is only one general file inside.

 

Sorry for troubling you

Thanks a lot in advance.

!Hola Telemetric!

Sorry, I should have mentioned, how to install it. Go to the applications folder. Choose Adobe Lightroom (that's also a folder). In this folder you find the LR application "Adobe Lightroom.app". Right-click on it and choose "Show package content". Go to "...Contents/Resources/LensProfiles/1.0/Leica". You should see the following (or similar). Drag the profile file into the Leica folder. Restart LR and you should be able to use it. Good luck!

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[andyturk]

7 hours ago, happymac said:

!Hola Telemetric!

Sorry, I should have mentioned, how to install it. Go to the applications folder. Choose Adobe Lightroom (that's also a folder). In this folder you find the LR application "Adobe Lightroom.app". Right-click on it and choose "Show package content". Go to "...Contents/Resources/LensProfiles/1.0/Leica". You should see the following (or similar). Drag the profile file into the Leica folder. Restart LR and you should be able to use it. Good luck!

Tom

 

I put the .lcp in LensProfiles, but still can't select it in the Lens Corrections / Profile pop up menu. I'm not a Lightroom whiz, but it seems like you have to select Make, then Model before Lightroom knows which profiles to present. There's no model for the 21/2.8, and maybe that's why?

[happymac]

hmm..?! I use LR 6 (no CC version). Here are 2 screenshots:

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Step 1: activate automatic corrections

 

Step 2: Select from the drop-down list

 

 

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59 minutes ago, happymac said:

hmm..?! I use LR 6 (no CC version). Here are 2 screenshots:

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Step 1: activate automatic corrections

Step 2: Select from the drop-down list

 

Dunno. ?

I'm using "Adobe Photoshop Lightroom Classic CC" (what a mouthful!) version 8.2.

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[happymac]

That‘s weird.

The profile is in the above mentioned folder? I am afraid, but due to the fact, that I don‘t have LR CC, I can‘t futher assist. Sorry.

[andyturk]

18 minutes ago, happymac said:

That‘s weird.

The profile is in the above mentioned folder? I am afraid, but due to the fact, that I don‘t have LR CC, I can‘t futher assist. Sorry.

Yes. I suspect that the Index.dat file needs to be updated in order for the application to pick up the new profile. Older versions of Lightroom would apparently regenerate the index if it was missing, but CC 8.2 doesn't.