Extended Wake-up time?

[bbran33]

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I have a M10-P with updated firmware. All too often, I raise the camera to my eye , wake it up, and go to take my first shot and miss it. 

I turn on the camera, wake it up (frame lines visible), depress shutter release fully, and nothing for a full 3-4 seconds. The subsequent shots go off like normal. It's only that first one that's delayed  I haven't tried a different memory card, but figured I'd check here first.  I've had 3 other digital Ms and never experienced this. I'm using a regular SDHC card. 

 

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[a.noctilux]

Some of my Ms had those strange behaviors also over time, mainly with "old SD card used in other device".

In this case, I replaced the SD card (and discarded it eventually), and most important thing I've found is format the new card in the camera before use.

So in my experience, new SD (never used in another device) and format in camera.

[Paulus]

Strange, my M 10 is faster than my M 240 is faster than my M9 so no I don't recognize this problem. Try a different card please ( I use Sandisk extreme pro  64Gb SDXC ) 

[bbran33]

I'll try a different card, thank you for the responses ! 👍

[elmars]

The M9 is the fastest one. You can shoot directly after turning on, but You have to wait, until You can play pictures. The M10 and the M240 are slower. Wake up time is about 1 1/2 sec, no difference between shooting and watching. 3 - 4 seconds is far too long.

[250swb]

I've you'd said it takes a little bit longer to wake up I'd have said 'do you have it set on Live View?'. But three or four seconds is a very, very long time. Let's all count it out to remind ourselves, say at normal speaking speed 'one Mississippi, two Mississippi, three Mississippi, four Mississippi'. That is too long, so check the card, reformat the card (do that anyway after downloading photos), and of course make sure it isn't set on Live View. 

 

[adan]

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On 3/30/2019 at 8:52 AM, bbran33 said:

I have a M10-P with updated firmware. All too often, I raise the camera to my eye , wake it up, and go to take my first shot and miss it. 

Why is your sequence not "wake camera up as you raise it to your eye, and take your first shot?" Let the "waking" and the "raising" take place in the same time period.

Interestingly, I don't even use "sleep" and "wake" - I turn the camera ON as I start to raise it to my eye, and it is ready to shoot by the time it reaches my eye. 2 seconds or a bit less. If my finger is already pushing down on the shutter button completely, it fires at the instant the framelines appear. "One Mississippi, Two Mississip*click*"

(Plain vanilla M10, ISO AUTO or manual, Shutter speed AUTO, 16GB 633X Delkin card).

Edited March 31, 2019 by adan

[bbran33]

Thanks for the responses everyone. It was an old SD card that was the problem! 

My only remaining problem is that I bought the M10-P planning on selling both my M9 and my MP Film (giving up film). But this is a problem that isn't easily solved. 

I love the low light capabilities of the M10 vs the M9, but I have to say.....the photos look almost, sterile?  Tack sharp, perfect in every way.....they just feel a bit more generic like my Canon. It's only been a week with the M10, so I definitely need more time, but these are my initial thoughts. I hope I'm wrong, because I WANT to love the M10. 

 I don't want to start the whole CCD vs CMOS sensor debate, or the film vs digital. But, looking at my M10 color photos vs M9, or the M10 monochrome vs Tri-X with the MP, there sure is a certain magic to the M9 with that old CCD sensor, and although I've only been shooting film for 2 years since buying the MP I've taken more "wow" shots with that camera than any other. . But, the ability to take family photos with me in the photo with my family, using the wifi remote trigger sure is pretty nice, as well as the high ISO capabilities.  

I find myself adding grain to the M10 photos to try to get a look that I'm used to, which is absolutely ridiculous I know. I LOVE the color rendition of the M10, but they are too perfect. Does that even make sense, or am I crazy? 

[elmars]

Yes You are crasy! 😀

I think most of the differences You believe to see between the M9 and the M10 pictures are vodoo - or caused by the light. 

[a.noctilux]

Bbran33, you don't have to LOVE the M10-P.

If you aren't happy with its output, just get rid of it (I know with some money lost, and then ? ).

In my life, I've learn that "perfection" if exists can be "boring if taken as such".

[ELAN]

Bbran33, I agree, the M9 sensor output is more to my liking too.  The M10 is a far better camera in every way except how the files are rendered.  Sometimes I even prefer the rendering of my M240 to the M10.  While Leica is quite limited by the off-the-shelf sensors they can source, I still hope the M11 sensor output is closer to the M9 than the M10.  Judging from the new Q2 sensor that will probably not be the case.

As for wake up time, you are right there too... 2 seconds is way too long.  I am already used to half-pressing the shutter button as I raise the camera, but alas, sometimes the camera doesn't wake up fast enough and I miss the shot. I wish Leica would fix that.

[M11 for me]

I do not think that Leica just buys off the shelf sensors. They do the sensor design and at the end you have an individual sensor for Leica.

[jaapv]

On 4/1/2019 at 1:45 AM, bbran33 said:

Thanks for the responses everyone. It was an old SD card that was the problem! 

My only remaining problem is that I bought the M10-P planning on selling both my M9 and my MP Film (giving up film). But this is a problem that isn't easily solved. 

I love the low light capabilities of the M10 vs the M9, but I have to say.....the photos look almost, sterile?  Tack sharp, perfect in every way.....they just feel a bit more generic like my Canon. It's only been a week with the M10, so I definitely need more time, but these are my initial thoughts. I hope I'm wrong, because I WANT to love the M10. 

 I don't want to start the whole CCD vs CMOS sensor debate, or the film vs digital. But, looking at my M10 color photos vs M9, or the M10 monochrome vs Tri-X with the MP, there sure is a certain magic to the M9 with that old CCD sensor, and although I've only been shooting film for 2 years since buying the MP I've taken more "wow" shots with that camera than any other. . But, the ability to take family photos with me in the photo with my family, using the wifi remote trigger sure is pretty nice, as well as the high ISO capabilities.  

I find myself adding grain to the M10 photos to try to get a look that I'm used to, which is absolutely ridiculous I know. I LOVE the color rendition of the M10, but they are too perfect. Does that even make sense, or am I crazy? 

Most of the differences you are seeing are caused by your postprocessing. It always takes a bit of effort and time to tweak the workflow to your liking with a new camera. If you just apply the settings and workflow from your old camera to the new one you will, in general, be disappointed and tend to blame the tool.

[jaapv]

On 4/1/2019 at 12:57 PM, ELAN said:

Bbran33, I agree, the M9 sensor output is more to my liking too.  The M10 is a far better camera in every way except how the files are rendered.  Sometimes I even prefer the rendering of my M240 to the M10.  While Leica is quite limited by the off-the-shelf sensors they can source, I still hope the M11 sensor output is closer to the M9 than the M10.  Judging from the new Q2 sensor that will probably not be the case.

As for wake up time, you are right there too... 2 seconds is way too long.  I am already used to half-pressing the shutter button as I raise the camera, but alas, sometimes the camera doesn't wake up fast enough and I miss the shot. I wish Leica would fix that.

Leica has never used an off-the-shelf sensor for an M camera. They have always been tweaked to Leica's specifications, or even fully redesigned. Especially the microlens design, cover glass filter colour bias and Bayer filter colours are unique to Leica.  That is why they are so expensive.

[bbran33]

Okay, so.....I sold my M9 and kept the M10-P. Why?

First of all , the start up time issue was due to an older SD Card, who knew? Well you guys did so thanks.

Also, because the (perceived) difference in CCD and CMOS sensor is minuscule compared to the ability to shoot in low light, remote trigger w/phone, leica foto app, high ISO....that my hit-rate is so much higher. Sure maybe I'll have to hit one more post processing button to get that CCD look, but not the end of the world. And don't get me started on that M9 LCD screen. I'd be zooming all the way in to people's eyes on that thing, and still be only 60% sure it was in focus! 😂 You know how frustrating that is to get home , look at it on screen and realize it was slightly out of focus?

For example, this past weekend my sister came home with her newborn (important photos!), and me using the M10 felt like having an M lens mounted to a Canon 5D MkIV it was so "modern" compared to my M9.  Especially with shallow DOF (50mm Summilux), it's nice to burst off 3-4 shots, and know that at least one of them is perfectly in focus. Never used to do that with M9, and although I kind of liked not having 10 pics of same thing, for that important shot like a newborn, it's nice to have that fail safe. 

Just needed a few more days with it but now love the M10-P!

 

 

Edited April 10, 2019 by bbran33

[STEVEcKONG]

Hi bbran33, I think I've been in similar situations... My M10 would freezes at the first shot sometimes when I wakes it up/turn it on. It's like the shutter was opened in the half way, and then after 3-4 seconds, it goes totally normal. Only happens when you take the first shot. If this is your problem, I would suggest you to format the SD card and see if that helps. I had this problems 2 months ago and after I format the SD card, my M10 went back to normal. Hope this could help you.