fotografr Posted March 29, 2019 Share #1 Posted March 29, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) I don't know how many people would agree, but if Leica were to design the perfect camera for me it would be a CL Monochrom with a selection of three fast (at least f/2.0) lenses that would be the full frame equivalent of 28mm, 40mm and 90mm. The camera would not have a video function. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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alainD Posted March 29, 2019 Share #2 Posted March 29, 2019 4 minutes ago, fotografr said: I don't know how many people would agree, but if Leica were to design the perfect camera for me it would be a CL Monochrom with a selection of three fast (at least f/2.0) lenses that would be the full frame equivalent of 28mm, 40mm and 90mm. The camera would not have a video function. I would definitely buy a CL monochrome... Alain 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramarren Posted March 29, 2019 Share #3 Posted March 29, 2019 (edited) Little real reason to go with a monochrom sensor for me. The CL has surreptitiously become my 'standard camera', as it were, and is so nearly just exactly what I want ... Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Continental Divide, Western Side, CO 2018 Leica CL + Summilux-R 50mm Edited March 29, 2019 by ramarren 7 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Continental Divide, Western Side, CO 2018 Leica CL + Summilux-R 50mm ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/295702-perfect-camera/?do=findComment&comment=3712060'>More sharing options...
cirke Posted March 29, 2019 Share #4 Posted March 29, 2019 (edited) For me not one but 3 cameras : a CL 24x36 a M with built-in EVF a Q with 50mm Summilux ... ill never buy a monochrome camera because you get the same or even better with color and post processing Edited March 29, 2019 by cirke 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 29, 2019 Share #5 Posted March 29, 2019 Sorry but your last sentence is balderdash There is no way that an equivalent colour sensor can match the clarity resolution and tonal rendering of a monochrome sensor. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robgo2 Posted March 30, 2019 Share #6 Posted March 30, 2019 56 minutes ago, jaapv said: Sorry but your last sentence is balderdash There is no way that an equivalent colour sensor can match the clarity resolution and tonal rendering of a monochrome sensor. I have to agree with jaapv on this. I rented an M Monochrome for one week and was amazed by what that camera camera can do compared to B&W conversions from my SL using the same lens. My only complaint about the sensor is how prone it is to blow highlights. You really have to underexpose somewhat. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografr Posted March 30, 2019 Author Share #7 Posted March 30, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) 6 hours ago, cirke said: For me not one but 3 cameras : a CL 24x36 a M with built-in EVF a Q with 50mm Summilux ... ill never buy a monochrome camera because you get the same or even better with color and post processing Have you ever used a Monochrom camera? That statement doesn't come close to what my experience has been. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografr Posted March 30, 2019 Author Share #8 Posted March 30, 2019 7 hours ago, ramarren said: Little real reason to go with a monochrom sensor for me. The CL has surreptitiously become my 'standard camera', as it were, and is so nearly just exactly what I want ... Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Continental Divide, Western Side, CO 2018Leica CL + Summilux-R 50mm That's a beautiful image. Now imagine it with twice the effective megapixels. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted March 30, 2019 Share #9 Posted March 30, 2019 Never used monochrome cameras so far. Is it true that Silver Efex doesn't work with them? Just curious. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
faxao Posted March 30, 2019 Share #10 Posted March 30, 2019 (edited) 16 minutes ago, lct said: Never used monochrome cameras so far. Is it true that Silver Efex doesn't work with them? Just curious. Not true: it works perfectly with MM1 RAW files Edited March 30, 2019 by faxao 2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 30, 2019 Share #11 Posted March 30, 2019 It does but will lead easily to overprocessed results. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted March 30, 2019 Share #12 Posted March 30, 2019 5 hours ago, fotografr said: That's a beautiful image. Now imagine it with twice the effective megapixels. I have done, and it wouldn't be nearly as interesting, atmospheric or 'universal'. Pixels and sharpness are not necessary criteria for the best photographs. (IMO, of course). Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 30, 2019 Share #13 Posted March 30, 2019 Megapixels have indeed nothing to do with it. But tonal separation has and it would have been (even) better on a Monochrom. Just like this excellent image would have been even more striking on medium format. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 30, 2019 Share #14 Posted March 30, 2019 13 hours ago, ramarren said: Little real reason to go with a monochrom sensor for me. The CL has surreptitiously become my 'standard camera', as it were, and is so nearly just exactly what I want ... Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Continental Divide, Western Side, CO 2018Leica CL + Summilux-R 50mm I too like the B&W output of the CL. But I often have the feeling “I should have brought my Monochrom “ Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nordvik Posted March 30, 2019 Share #15 Posted March 30, 2019 I wonder why the B&W JPEG from M8 looks so good. The raw files developed in LR look good also, but compared to other cameras it is not nothing special. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 30, 2019 Share #16 Posted March 30, 2019 0.5 mm IR filter. CCD. Replacing the Bayer filter would improve them even more. The PS ones look even better than JPG, unlike C1. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nordvik Posted March 30, 2019 Share #17 Posted March 30, 2019 I have done some test before and showed them here, but I dit another one. Without IR cut filter. First is JPEG from camera. Second is B&W from LR8. No adjustment. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/295702-perfect-camera/?do=findComment&comment=3712328'>More sharing options...
Nordvik Posted March 30, 2019 Share #18 Posted March 30, 2019 As a bonus: a picture of my M8: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/295702-perfect-camera/?do=findComment&comment=3712329'>More sharing options...
dfdann Posted March 30, 2019 Share #19 Posted March 30, 2019 I agree that M8 makes stunning B&W. I have won several Fine Arts Awards with mine. However in my humble opinion the CL makes very good B&W. Cheers, Dan Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografr Posted March 30, 2019 Author Share #20 Posted March 30, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, dfdann said: I agree that M8 makes stunning B&W. I have won several Fine Arts Awards with mine. However in my humble opinion the CL makes very good B&W. Cheers, Dan I completely agree but in my opinion it would even be better with a monochrome sensor. If converted files could look as good as those from a mono sensor, why would Leica have ever bothered to produce the original Monochrom? No one will ever convince me that files converted from the M9 achieve the same tonal separation and overall image quality as the MM1. Edited March 30, 2019 by fotografr 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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