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Cropping - "Feature" or a Marketing Gimmick?

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I have a crop of 1700x1700 pixels that, after uprezing, makes a beautiful 24" square print. You do what you can with the tools that you have. I don't see the point of crop modes, but cropping is one of the few (IMHO, unless you print more than 4' wide) advantages of extra MP. 

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5 hours ago, cp995 said:

I'm a 35mm shooter too! So I thought about a Sony RX1RII first.
But sometimes I need a bit more WA and/or 50mm.

So for me the Q2 would be perfekt (nearly), as I get a 35mm crop with 30MP resolution, which would be enough ...

 

Yes, and with similar depth of field properties, as 35/28 * 1.7 = 2.1. So, the Q2 at 35mm and f1.7 should give  similar look to the RXRII at 35mm and f2.0 (except the resolution of course)

 

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People who like 35mm will also like 28mm and vice versa. In other words: You will probaly use a 28mm lens not diffenrently to 35mm or the 35mm not differently to the 28mm. In other words again: When I own a 28mm lens on a camera that allows me to change lenses then there is no need to buy a 35mm as the difference is not too relevant. And if you own already the 35mm lens then you probably will not go to buy an 28mm as alternative.

Finally I do not think that I would buy an Q2 because I will be able to crop to 35mm. That is not really a difference. I would buy the Q2 if I could crop to 50 ot 75mm. But as the maths shows us we will have lost almost all our data. This is not worth buying the Q2.

As a consequence the Cropping-feature is probably more like a gimmick unless you could really use the 50 and 75mm as well.

Edited by Alex U.

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Thanks for tolerating my earlier rant about the EVF. The Q, no matter the iteration, is a wonderful camera. It's just not the 3 prime kit I was dreaming of, which wasn't a realistic expectation to begin with.

The frame lines are cool. I get it. But my eyes would prefer a full zoom EVF.

I've ordered instead the bargain $423 Sony 28mm f/2 for my A7III, the main reason I bought a system camera to begin with. I was also pleased to learn (thanks to KR) that Sony makes two converters for the lens, a 21mm and a 16mm fisheye, for $273 and $223 respectively. I may actually have a use for one or both.

I really wouldn't want to give up the Zony 55mm f/1.8, or the A7III for that matter, which would be necessary to justify a Q2. I was tempted by a used Q however. Two with accessories went for around $2500 each, just yesterday.

Enjoy your camera, whether it be an A, a Q, or a Z.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited by galavanter

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Well, I think the cropping function is both a marketing gimmick and a useful feature.  I wish the Q2 would have had a 35mm lens, as I'm not overly fond of 28mm. I don't do landscapes, and am wary of distortion with a wide angle lens. It's true that the crop mode doesn't simulate the other focal lengths, as the characteristics of the shot will be the same characteristics as using a 28mm (bokeh, possible distortion, etc).  However, for me, as I only use 35mm except in rare situations, the crop mode helps me frame the image to my preferred view. With the increased resolution of the Q2, the 35mm crop mode is much more useful than with the Q1 (about 15mp).  With the 28mm on the Q's, one can't argue with Leica's success, as they are extremely popular cameras.  While to me, the Q family is a 'triple', a home run would have been with a 35mm lens. But, the most popular cameras in the world are about 28mm (smart phones), and a 'reportage' camera, and landscape camera may often prefer a wider angle.  I'm strictly a street shooter and only do 'still life'. If the Q family did not have the crop modes, I'm not so sure it would have been so successful.  I know I wouldn't have bought it.

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You can crop with your feet, too.  When using a 28mm lens - any 28mm - step forward one yard/meter. There's your 35mm field of view.  Yes, I know - you can't step forward if you are photographing at the rim of the Grand Canyon or at the summit of Everest without killing yourself.  But a lot of times you can.  Just step forward - (imaginary) problem solved.

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16 minutes ago, Herr Barnack said:

You can crop with your feet, too.  When using a 28mm lens - any 28mm - step forward one yard/meter. There's your 35mm field of view.  Yes, I know - you can't step forward if you are photographing at the rim of the Grand Canyon or at the summit of Everest without killing yourself.  But a lot of times you can.  Just step forward - (imaginary) problem solved.

Moving from your position changes your perspective, you might get 'about as much in' as you would a 35mm from where you stood before but the scene would change as you got closer.

If you keep getting closer to someone's face is it the same as using a 75mm lens?

 

no

Edited by dancook

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Owning a Q1:
It's not that I don't like it, but I barely use the function. If I crop, I prefer to do it in the post-processing. Maybe I should use the camera's crop more.
I do think the Q1 lacks a bit of resolution to crop a lot. On my iMac 5K I can see the photos almost 1:1.

The crop-function is falling more into place with the Q2's megapixel bump. One of the most heard critics is that people want an 35mm or 50mm version. I think we'll never see those; Leica's solution is crop-modes and offering a sensor with enough megapixel. Makes sense to me. I don't think it's just a marketing gimmick but it's well thought out.

Edited by Tom.

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