scott kirkpatrick Posted March 1, 2019 Share #1 Posted March 1, 2019 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) I haven't been out shooting with a new 35 SL Summicron for the past few weeks, and I won't see one for an unknown number of weeks to come, but I am curious to see how this line of Summicrons compares and differs with the treatment that we are used to with the M Summiluxes and the one recent 35 Summilux for the TL and CL APS-C coverage. So here's a start and this thread can be a place to post such comparisons, preferably taken wide open. Nervous versus confident bokeh, anyone? To kick it off, fruits and vegetables, close, first with the 75 SC -SL on an SL @ f/2.0 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! S1040202 by scott kirkpatrick, on Flickr And then, a bit closer, with the CL 35/1.4@1.4, taken with a CL: C1120290 by scott kirkpatrick, on Flickr Both shots OOC, no post processing, default settings in C One. Edited March 1, 2019 by scott kirkpatrick 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! S1040202 by scott kirkpatrick, on Flickr And then, a bit closer, with the CL 35/1.4@1.4, taken with a CL: C1120290 by scott kirkpatrick, on Flickr Both shots OOC, no post processing, default settings in C One. ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/294745-sl-summicrons-vs-other-summiluxes/?do=findComment&comment=3693358'>More sharing options...
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LocalHero1953 Posted March 1, 2019 Share #2 Posted March 1, 2019 (edited) Two headshots taken by flash last night for a theatre production. SL + Apo-Summicron-SL 90 ISO 100, f/4, 1/125 Processed in Lightroom to increase exposure by 0.8, to crop to 10x8 format, and set WB to flash. No sharpening, no noise reduction, EDIT: I've just realised you were looking for comparisons with similar but non-Summicron-SL lenses; sorry, I don't have any suitable to hand at this moment. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited March 1, 2019 by LocalHero1953 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/294745-sl-summicrons-vs-other-summiluxes/?do=findComment&comment=3693409'>More sharing options...
jrp Posted March 1, 2019 Share #3 Posted March 1, 2019 The highlights seem quite harsh in some of these. I guess the next gen sensors may give a smoother rendering. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted March 1, 2019 Share #4 Posted March 1, 2019 1 hour ago, jrp said: The highlights seem quite harsh in some of these. I guess the next gen sensors may give a smoother rendering. More than you'd expect with flash? Or do you mean Scott's fruit? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott kirkpatrick Posted March 1, 2019 Author Share #5 Posted March 1, 2019 (edited) more examples of both lines of lenses. Do they constitute two distinct styles? Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! S1030288 by scott kirkpatrick, on Flickr SL 75 Summicron S1030217 1 by scott kirkpatrick, on Flickr SL with R 90 Summicron L1010649 by scott kirkpatrick, on Flickr SL with R 90 Summicron C1050966 by scott kirkpatrick, on Flickr CL Summilux M 50 C1050614 by scott kirkpatrick, on Flickr CL with CL Summilux 35/1.4 I have some nice headshots with R 80 Summilux on SL. Will edit one in when I find it. Edited March 1, 2019 by scott kirkpatrick 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! S1030288 by scott kirkpatrick, on Flickr SL 75 Summicron S1030217 1 by scott kirkpatrick, on Flickr SL with R 90 Summicron L1010649 by scott kirkpatrick, on Flickr SL with R 90 Summicron C1050966 by scott kirkpatrick, on Flickr CL Summilux M 50 C1050614 by scott kirkpatrick, on Flickr CL with CL Summilux 35/1.4 I have some nice headshots with R 80 Summilux on SL. Will edit one in when I find it. ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/294745-sl-summicrons-vs-other-summiluxes/?do=findComment&comment=3693585'>More sharing options...
scott kirkpatrick Posted March 1, 2019 Author Share #6 Posted March 1, 2019 Hamming it up a bit, but the lens rendering is very Mandler SL with R 80 SX: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! R1010748 by scott kirkpatrick, on Flickr 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! R1010748 by scott kirkpatrick, on Flickr ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/294745-sl-summicrons-vs-other-summiluxes/?do=findComment&comment=3693645'>More sharing options...
scott kirkpatrick Posted March 8, 2019 Author Share #7 Posted March 8, 2019 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) OK, Bokeh studies next. Are these "nervous" or confident? Each one has a foreground object at roughly the closest focus distance. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! S1040271 by scott kirkpatrick, on Flickr SL-SC 75 f/8 S1040249 by scott kirkpatrick, on Flickr SL-SC 75 f/8 S1040265 by scott kirkpatrick, on Flickr SL-SC f/4 S1040261 by scott kirkpatrick, on Flickr SL-SC 75 f/7.1 Edited March 8, 2019 by scott kirkpatrick 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! S1040271 by scott kirkpatrick, on Flickr SL-SC 75 f/8 S1040249 by scott kirkpatrick, on Flickr SL-SC 75 f/8 S1040265 by scott kirkpatrick, on Flickr SL-SC f/4 S1040261 by scott kirkpatrick, on Flickr SL-SC 75 f/7.1 ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/294745-sl-summicrons-vs-other-summiluxes/?do=findComment&comment=3698185'>More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted March 9, 2019 Share #8 Posted March 9, 2019 In the last ones, nervous I'd say. The 90 Summicron-SL would be a better choice for these, or the 75 Noctilux. 😀 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott kirkpatrick Posted March 15, 2019 Author Share #9 Posted March 15, 2019 How do you like this SL APO 75 Summicron bokeh? Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! S1040499 by scott kirkpatrick, on Flickr 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! S1040499 by scott kirkpatrick, on Flickr ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/294745-sl-summicrons-vs-other-summiluxes/?do=findComment&comment=3702879'>More sharing options...
scott kirkpatrick Posted March 15, 2019 Author Share #10 Posted March 15, 2019 And this one, just for separating planes in the image: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! S1040600 by scott kirkpatrick, on Flickr Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! S1040600 by scott kirkpatrick, on Flickr ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/294745-sl-summicrons-vs-other-summiluxes/?do=findComment&comment=3702887'>More sharing options...
Stuart Richardson Posted March 15, 2019 Share #11 Posted March 15, 2019 Personally, they do not look as nice to me as the "best of the best" lenses I have used for bokeh, which would be the 110mm f/2 Planar on 6x6, the 75mm Summilux and 50mm 1.4 Summilux R E60, 100mm APO Macro R, 120mm APO Macro S and a few more esoteric lenses like the 180mm Tele-Xenar AF for Rollei 6008, and more or less any good plasmat for 4x5 or 8x10. That said, other than the last image, none of them strike me as particularly "nervous". These things are incredibly variable based on point of focus, aperture and background, so it is hard to generalize. I am sure they all have fine bokeh, but Leica tends to make their lenses very balanced with an emphasis on performance at the point of focus more than the OOF areas. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted March 15, 2019 Share #12 Posted March 15, 2019 vor 3 Stunden schrieb Stuart Richardson: Personally, they do not look as nice to me as the "best of the best" lenses I have used for bokeh,...That said, other than the last image, none of them strike me as particularly "nervous". These things are incredibly variable based on point of focus, aperture and background, so it is hard to generalize. +1. Well observed and stated. vor 3 Stunden schrieb Stuart Richardson: ...it is hard to generalize..., but Leica tends to make their lenses very balanced with an emphasis on performance at the point of focus more than the OOF areas. You are generalizing and I couldn't disagree more. In the link, comparisons between the APO 75 Summicron-M and the APO 75 Summicron-SL. The OOF areas in these are smooth like a baby's bottom, particularly with the M lens. One has to look very hard to see a difference with the SL lens in OOF rendering: https://www.smugmug.com/gallery/n-nW5Qwt/i-M5rrZvw I'll try to take some 'equally framed' test shots with the 75SL and the 90SL and see how each lens draws the OOF areas. 😀 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Richardson Posted March 15, 2019 Share #13 Posted March 15, 2019 Touché. I think what I was thinking is more that Leica seems to be more interested in the in creating high performance lenses, which inherently tend to have good/neutral bokeh. They do not make lenses with aberrations introduced to make the bokeh better, like the Nikon DC lenses or other makers who really want to emphasise bokeh. But I will stop generalizing now! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted March 16, 2019 Share #14 Posted March 16, 2019 A series of similarly framed pictures with the 75 Summicron-SL and the 90 Summicron-SL. The 90 is a portrait lens and among the "best of the best" lenses, period. 😀 Less compressed JPEGs here: https://www.smugmug.com/gallery/n-fJ9mgR/ 75 Summicron-SL Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 90 Summicron-SL 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 90 Summicron-SL ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/294745-sl-summicrons-vs-other-summiluxes/?do=findComment&comment=3703740'>More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted March 16, 2019 Share #15 Posted March 16, 2019 Less compressed JPEGs here: https://www.smugmug.com/gallery/n-fJ9mgR/ 75 Summicron-SL Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 90 Summicron-SL 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 90 Summicron-SL ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/294745-sl-summicrons-vs-other-summiluxes/?do=findComment&comment=3703742'>More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted March 16, 2019 Share #16 Posted March 16, 2019 Less compressed JPEGs here: https://www.smugmug.com/gallery/n-fJ9mgR/ 75 Summicron-SL Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 90 Summicron-SL Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 90 Summicron-SL ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/294745-sl-summicrons-vs-other-summiluxes/?do=findComment&comment=3703743'>More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted March 16, 2019 Share #17 Posted March 16, 2019 Less compressed JPEGs here: https://www.smugmug.com/gallery/n-fJ9mgR/ 75 Summicron-SL Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 90 Summicron-SL Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 90 Summicron-SL ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/294745-sl-summicrons-vs-other-summiluxes/?do=findComment&comment=3703745'>More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted March 16, 2019 Share #18 Posted March 16, 2019 Less compressed JPEGs here: https://www.smugmug.com/gallery/n-fJ9mgR/ 75 Summicron-SL Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 90 Summicron-SL 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 90 Summicron-SL ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/294745-sl-summicrons-vs-other-summiluxes/?do=findComment&comment=3703748'>More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted March 16, 2019 Share #19 Posted March 16, 2019 What is this comparison supposed to establish? I don’t see the point ... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted March 16, 2019 Share #20 Posted March 16, 2019 (edited) Bokeh studies, nervous or confident, in response to #7 and #9. I’d say the 75 Summicron-SL a bit more nervous when compared to the 90 Summicron-SL. Edited March 16, 2019 by Chaemono Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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