gippo Posted February 12, 2019 Share #1 Posted February 12, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) Ask who went from leica M240 to Leica M10: would you do it again? If so why? if not why? I thank the answers and I apologize for my English 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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dkmoore Posted February 12, 2019 Share #2 Posted February 12, 2019 Yes I would do it again for the following reasons: 1) sensor improvement (high ISO) 2) thinner body 3) quieter shutter (p version) 4) touch screen 5) ISO dial - I actually like it a lot for ease of access 6) menu system is improved (M240 was solid) 7) I like to have the latest camera All that said, the M240 is excellent and not far behind the M10. M240 also has video unlike the M10. I'd be quite content (thrilled really) shooting with the M240 if the cost was a concern. I didn't notice the practical difference in eye relief between the M240 & M10 that many others did but that may be another reason to upgrade. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted February 13, 2019 Share #3 Posted February 13, 2019 No looking back... the improved VF (bigger opening, higher magnification and better eye relief) was worth it; the rest was gravy. But I also appreciate its form factor, lack of video (never use) and better weather sealing. Both crank out terrific files, so these are nice-to-have features, not deal breakers. The M240 was a great camera. Jeff 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digger1914 Posted February 13, 2019 Share #4 Posted February 13, 2019 In a heartbeat. I think dkmoore has covered the dot points very well The big two for me in day to day use are shutter noise and ISO dial Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oudjunk Posted February 13, 2019 Share #5 Posted February 13, 2019 2 hours ago, dkmoore said: Yes I would do it again for the following reasons: 1) sensor improvement (high ISO) 2) thinner body 3) quieter shutter (p version) 4) touch screen 5) ISO dial - I actually like it a lot for ease of access 6) menu system is improved (M240 was solid) 7) I like to have the latest camera All that said, the M240 is excellent and not far behind the M10. M240 also has video unlike the M10. I'd be quite content (thrilled really) shooting with the M240 if the cost was a concern. I didn't notice the practical difference in eye relief between the M240 & M10 that many others did but that may be another reason to upgrade. Touch Screen only P version as well. but i have no idea for using the touch screen on Leica M. i always use the touch screen on SL for focus only. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjhoy Posted February 13, 2019 Share #6 Posted February 13, 2019 The M10 is undoubtably the better camera, but I don't love it, and I loved my 240. If I could go back I would. In any case, I'm happy enough. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 13, 2019 Share #7 Posted February 13, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) 1 hour ago, mjhoy said: The M10 is undoubtably the better camera, but I don't love it, and I loved my 240. If I could go back I would. In any case, I'm happy enough. I'm currently with a M typ 262 and 35mm Summilux FLE. Loving this combo. However, I am contemplating if and when to upgrade for M1/M10-P or potential M11. But maybe it's silly to chase a new M body, as the M262 is a truly inspiring camera to shoot. mjhoy, I would be interested to hear, why you don't love the M10 and loved the M240? Thanks Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
albertknappmd Posted February 13, 2019 Share #8 Posted February 13, 2019 Happy to have made the change... VF and ISO dials were the main advantages... Nothing wrong with 240... Albert 😏 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gippo Posted February 13, 2019 Author Share #9 Posted February 13, 2019 Your opinions are very interesting; Thank you all for the answers! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjhoy Posted February 13, 2019 Share #10 Posted February 13, 2019 10 hours ago, mcpallesen said: mjhoy, I would be interested to hear, why you don't love the M10 and loved the M240? Thanks there are many pros to the m10 and as i said it's definitely the better camera. however for me, there are some cons. the m240 had incredible battery life, to the extent that i just didn't worry about it. i could forget, a little bit, that it was this digital device hungry for power, and it just felt a little more like a "go anywhere" camera. i preferred the colors of the m240, although the m10 is still very good. the color is something that i just need time to get used to. the iso dial feels awkward and somehow over-designed and finicky, strangely difficult to actually use. i prefer the m240's iso button, which just feels simpler and like the right design in a digital camera. again, i may just need time to get used to it. i should say i also have an m6 classic, and while i like having a slimmer body in the 10, that somehow doesn't really matter as much when it comes to digital cameras, because the screen and buttons and increased height make the m10 feel a bit bulky, too. in other words i didn't care about how fat the 240 was! i wouldn't recommend upgrading, personally, unless you really need the low light performance (and it really is quite a bit better there). all that said i won't be selling my m10 if i can help it! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 14, 2019 Share #11 Posted February 14, 2019 6 hours ago, mjhoy said: there are many pros to the m10 and as i said it's definitely the better camera. however for me, there are some cons. the m240 had incredible battery life, to the extent that i just didn't worry about it. i could forget, a little bit, that it was this digital device hungry for power, and it just felt a little more like a "go anywhere" camera. i preferred the colors of the m240, although the m10 is still very good. the color is something that i just need time to get used to. the iso dial feels awkward and somehow over-designed and finicky, strangely difficult to actually use. i prefer the m240's iso button, which just feels simpler and like the right design in a digital camera. again, i may just need time to get used to it. i should say i also have an m6 classic, and while i like having a slimmer body in the 10, that somehow doesn't really matter as much when it comes to digital cameras, because the screen and buttons and increased height make the m10 feel a bit bulky, too. in other words i didn't care about how fat the 240 was! i wouldn't recommend upgrading, personally, unless you really need the low light performance (and it really is quite a bit better there). all that said i won't be selling my m10 if i can help it! Thanks a lot for elborating, makes a lot of sense. Sounds like I’m in no rush to upgrade and will wait and maybe pick up a used M10/M10P when they go down in price or see what the M11 brings to the table. I do shoot quite a bit in low light, but try to keep iso around 1600 and mainly shoot B/W, so I stay within the limits of the M262. But of course the better high iso of the M10 is something I would use quite a bit. And compared to film M240/M262 is still more than “we need” in realtion to high iso in real world shooting. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gippo Posted February 15, 2019 Author Share #12 Posted February 15, 2019 (edited) On 14/2/2019 at 7:48 AM, mcpallesen said: Thanks a lot for elborating, makes a lot of sense. Sounds like I’m in no rush to upgrade and will wait and maybe pick up a used M10/M10P when they go down in price or see what the M11 brings to the table. I do shoot quite a bit in low light, but try to keep iso around 1600 and mainly shoot B/W, so I stay within the limits of the M262. But of course the better high iso of the M10 is something I would use quite a bit. And compared to film M240/M262 is still more than “we need” in realtion to high iso in real world shooting. exactly what I think. thank you Edited February 15, 2019 by gippo Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tailwagger Posted February 15, 2019 Share #13 Posted February 15, 2019 I prefer the M10, but as others have stated there's not a wide gulf between the two. I tend to disagree a bit on the color front. The 240s reds can be problematic at times and the M10 white balance is improved over its predecessor. Beyond what others have mentioned, the M10 EVF is clearly improved in several dimensions, most noticeably blackout times which are interminable on the 240, merely annoying on the M10. One thing I do prefer on the M240 is having C mode on the power on switch. Though I only use it occasionally, typically when I wish to enable it, its as the result of a unexpected situation. With the 240 its a flick, with the M10 its a dive through the menus, by which time, the moment has passed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leitna Posted February 15, 2019 Share #14 Posted February 15, 2019 Am 14.2.2019 um 00:48 schrieb mjhoy: i preferred the colors of the m240 can't believe that ... i sold my M240 because i couldn't handle the colours. I preferred the M9 to the M240 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Warwick Posted February 15, 2019 Share #15 Posted February 15, 2019 (edited) I had an M240 for years. I tried the M10 extensively and decided not to buy. I personally found the M10 is definitely the nicer camera to handle (thin but denser body, whisper quiet and less vibrating shutter, nice ISO dial). But image quality at lower ISOs off the M10 was simply too similar to the M240 for me to justify an upgrade - and I tested out the cameras on a tripod and my 50 APO, so had some good like for likes to compare. Albeit I thought higher ISO fell in the M10’s relative favour. I was a bit agnostic about the M10 colour palate, however - of course it can be tweaked however you want, and maybe my expectations were wrong, but it seemed biased to being too yellow (whereas my M240 too red biased). Neither looked quite right though. Perhaps more dramatically, the above conclusions catalysed me abandoning Leica M Digital and I’m now using my Leica M7, film, and drum scans - given I personally prefer the deeper colour tonality and “look” from this process. So I’ve kind of gone M240 —> (M10) —> M7!! Edited February 15, 2019 by Jon Warwick 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 19, 2019 Share #16 Posted February 19, 2019 (edited) On 2/14/2019 at 2:48 PM, mcpallesen said: …. the better high iso of the M10 is something I would use quite a bit. And compared to film M240/M262 is still more than “we need” in realtion to high iso in real world shooting. I would urge caution about high ISO as a decision point in upgrading from M240 to M10....there's not much practical difference between them in terms of high ISO capability. I shoot a lot at night and in low light, and find that the high ISO of the M10 is significantly over-stated, and I'm consistently using ISO 5000 to obtain the similar shutter speeds as I did with my M240 at ISO 3200 and Q at ISO 1600. I wish I had compared relative exposures in the store before I bought my M10. Edited February 19, 2019 by Guest Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 19, 2019 Share #17 Posted February 19, 2019 (edited) Thanks, hemlock. That’s very good to know. Sounds like, I should stick with my M-262 for now at least. Weird, that shutter speeds are not consistent across M240/M10/Q at same iso... Edited February 19, 2019 by mcpallesen Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 19, 2019 Share #18 Posted February 19, 2019 4 hours ago, hemlock said: I would urge caution about high ISO as a decision point in upgrading from M240 to M10....there's not much practical difference between them in terms of high ISO capability. I shoot a lot at night and in low light, and find that the high ISO of the M10 is significantly over-stated, and I'm consistently using ISO 5000 to obtain the similar shutter speeds as I did with my M240 at ISO 3200 and Q at ISO 1600. I wish I had compared relative exposures in the store before I bought my M10. Thanks, hemlock. That’s very good to know. Sounds like, I should stick with my M-262 for now at least. Weird, that shutter speeds are not consistent across M240/M10/Q at same iso... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwesi Posted February 19, 2019 Share #19 Posted February 19, 2019 4 hours ago, mcpallesen said: Thanks, hemlock. That’s very good to know. Sounds like, I should stick with my M-262 for now at least. Weird, that shutter speeds are not consistent across M240/M10/Q at same iso... The shutter speeds are consistent. Its the ISO number readouts that are not consistent across the M240/M10/Q cameras given the same light level. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 19, 2019 Share #20 Posted February 19, 2019 1 hour ago, Kwesi said: The shutter speeds are consistent. Its the ISO number readouts that are not consistent across the M240/M10/Q cameras given the same light level. Okay, thanks. But would if you lock iso at say 3200 across M240/M10/Q, is shutter then the same with different exposure of overall image or different shutter speed yield same exposure of images? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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