Guest Posted February 1, 2019 Share #1 Posted February 1, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) The cameras are now officially launched, and the press embargo has lifted, so there's a ton of articles and YouTube videos already - initial impressions seem very positive generally. What do SL owners think? While the tiltable screen, IBIS, viewfinder and higher MP S1R sensor in particular are undoubtedly appealing, I'm still not properly tempted to "upgrade", principally due to the design/ergonomics (the "fit as many buttons as we can on" approach!). For me, the SL2, assuming it has the 47mp sensor, and hopefully the tilt screen, IBIS and improved viewfinder, is very much worth waiting for. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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caissa Posted February 1, 2019 Share #2 Posted February 1, 2019 I'm not in a hurry to upgrade, but it is definitely the most interesting offering for me (especially the ultra high resolution mode 187 Mpixel !!). Together with existing SL lenses a great combo. I look forward to the SL2. It will probably also show a lot of improved hardware. Will it have the ultra high feature ? Maybe not. ?! Interesting for me also the 24-105. Smaller than the 24-90, macro 1:2, plus OIS and reasonable price ... Very very interesting. Now MF (33x44) or Sony is no longer worth a discussion. I feel almost pity for them users. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmradman Posted February 1, 2019 Share #3 Posted February 1, 2019 Purely from still image shooter point of view assuming SL2 incorporates key S1R headline grabbing features, like 47Mp Sensor, IBIS, High Resolution Mode, Improved EVF in lets say less brutal shell (as hinted by Dr Kaufmann a while back) question remain over Leica's implementation of LENR which is a real spoiler. Question remain is S1R at all friendly to adopting Leica legacy M & R lenses, perhaps more friendly with R lenses. We should assume that L lenses would work without a glich., how log before Lumix lenses are operational on SL601, do we need firmware upgrade for this? 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardC Posted February 1, 2019 Share #4 Posted February 1, 2019 I would only consider the S1 for added video features, especially an ACES IDT (sort of like a LUT that meets industry standards for colour and contrast). Other than that it's just what you would expect for a newer camera: a little bit more of stuff that already works just fine. There's nothing on the photo side that would radically improve my work. Overall, the Panasonics have a different design philosophy than the SL (or other Leica cameras). It's down to personal preference. Do you want all the buttons and all the features, or do you want a curated subset of important features? It's not a new distinction. Back in my childhood, any high-end Japanese stereo would have a million buttons and meters, whereas any decent European stereo would have almost no buttons and meters. I've always gravitated to the European design style, but I understand people who prefer the Japanese style. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
caissa Posted February 1, 2019 Share #5 Posted February 1, 2019 Of course there will be a firmware upgrade to support any new lenses. I look forward to it ... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 1, 2019 Share #6 Posted February 1, 2019 The firmware upgrade (3.4) was released today. I'd forgotten LENR - the fact that the Panasonics seem to allow it to be turned off (or at least reduced?) hopefully suggests that it will be the same in the SL2 ... assuming the sensors are shared, which is perhaps a big assumption (?). Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sully Posted February 1, 2019 Share #7 Posted February 1, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) IBIS......Thank you Panny for making all my long Leica lenses really useable. Lenses......Thank you Sigma for cheaper (hopefully) auto-focus lenses. As a pensioner I promised myself I don't need any more photo gear. However, this could be dangerous. Ciao, Sully 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mls1483 Posted February 1, 2019 Share #8 Posted February 1, 2019 vor 48 Minuten schrieb mmradman: Purely from still image shooter point of view assuming SL2 incorporates key S1R headline grabbing features, like 47Mp Sensor, IBIS, High Resolution Mode, Improved EVF in lets say less brutal shell (as hinted by Dr Kaufmann a while back) question remain over Leica's implementation of LENR which is a real spoiler. Question remain is S1R at all friendly to adopting Leica legacy M & R lenses, perhaps more friendly with R lenses. We should assume that L lenses would work without a glich., how log before Lumix lenses are operational on SL601, do we need firmware upgrade for this? As I posted in another thread (could be merged): The L mount alliance is very charming, it seems to offer a lot of products with the same mount and thus interchangability. But watch out: In the press release of the L mount alliance, the companies clearly stated that it is only a common standard. Every manufacturer may add additional features to his body or lens to make it work better. For the S1(R) this may mean DFD autofocus. It needs a lens characteristic to work optimal. So Panasonic lenses may work bette with it than 3rd part lenses. The S Pro lenses by Panasonic are "approved by Leica" like the DG Panasonic lenses for MFT - whatever this means here. The Sigma lenses will be rolled out very fast - I doubt that Panasonic will hurry up to implement lens profiles for these. Maybe Leica Sl lenses work just fine on the S1R, maybe they are slower. Maybe there are lens profiles (for vignetting, distortion, CA, etc) implemented in the S1R, maybe not. I am very curious to see first hands-on reports! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mls1483 Posted February 1, 2019 Share #9 Posted February 1, 2019 vor 53 Minuten schrieb caissa: Now MF (33x44) or Sony is no longer worth a discussion. I feel almost pity for them users. Hasselblad will soon announce the X1D Mk II with 100 MP (maybe same sensor as GFX 100). Fujifilm has rolled out the new GFX 100S and will probably sooner or later roll out a GFX 150S (Sony sensor already patented, specs are known). You were interested in the 187 MP feature of the S1R? Here you get 150 MP without using a tripod and adding up multiple pictures (which is for non-moving subjects only). There is really a lot going on right now, everything is in flow. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted February 1, 2019 Share #10 Posted February 1, 2019 39 minutes ago, caissa said: Interesting for me also the 24-105. Smaller than the 24-90, macro 1:2, plus OIS and reasonable price ... Very very interesting. +1 I’ll be interested to read performance reviews. And to better understand what “drip proof” means in practical weather sealing terms. The size of the SL zooms has contributed to my remaining on the sidelines thus far (along with the temptation of a next generation X1D and long anticipated XCD zoom). I hope the Panasonic lenses will provide full functionality (including sealing) on an SL or SL2 given the mount and the alliance. Jeff Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnbuckley Posted February 1, 2019 Share #11 Posted February 1, 2019 The S1R fills me with hope for what Leica's response will be. And Leica will need to respond. A pretty similar camera, made by a solid camera company, with double the megapixels at 55% of the price forces a competitive response. Which is wonderful. I'll wait for the SL2, which I expect will come in 2019, because of Leica's comparative software elegance, and because I believe Dr. K when he says the next one will be less ungainly. It will, of course be more expensive than the Lumix. But Lumix has now set the bar on certain features -- 47 mp -- that I am betting Leica will see them, and raise them. Can't wait. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted February 1, 2019 Share #12 Posted February 1, 2019 And the 5.76 million dot EVF, which the SL2 will presumably adopt or improve. I have yet to bond with an EVF. Jeff Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frame-it Posted February 1, 2019 Share #13 Posted February 1, 2019 interesting that we have to use the SL to update the Panasonic Lens firmware Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 1, 2019 Share #14 Posted February 1, 2019 23 minutes ago, frame-it said: interesting that we have to use the SL to update the Panasonic Lens firmware Yes, it would be annoying to have to buy an S1 just to use it to update the lenses! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted February 1, 2019 Share #15 Posted February 1, 2019 (edited) An interesting take on the SL paradigm, but I shall remain on the sidelines. Panasonic seems to have majored on technical features at the expense of interface/usability. Higher resolution, sensor shift mode, IBIS, tilt LCD, lots of buttons, bigger battery..... these have all contributed to the greater bulk and weight. I will be happy if the SL2 has more pixels but is smaller, lighter, more svelte, no more buttons; no sensor shift (I don't need 187Mp, and think of the storage requirements), no IBIS (I'm more concerned with subject movement than camera movement), no tilt LCD (I'd rather have an add-on eyepiece for the rare occasions when I can't see through the EVF). Otherwise I hope the SL2 concentrates on better performance in use and IQ: better EVF in low light, better high ISO performance, faster AF (AFs/AFC/tracking) and, of course, optional LENR, better flash options. This is the first of what will become a family of L-mount bodies. There will be more from Leica and from the rest of the consortium. I expect many of them will not be of the 'all you can eat' S1 variety. I guess one could predict that Panasonic would want to make a statement with this one - and it's a pretty big statement. Edited February 1, 2019 by LocalHero1953 2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
verwackelt Posted February 1, 2019 Share #16 Posted February 1, 2019 I am waiting for Leicas reaction to the launch of the S1R. If nothing happened the next 6 Month i think the Pana will be mine if the coming reviews and a test of a rented S1R will proof Panas promises. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdw Posted February 1, 2019 Share #17 Posted February 1, 2019 Super compelling. I might pick it up to replace my A7R3! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Andersson Posted February 2, 2019 Share #18 Posted February 2, 2019 The S1R has made me reconsider what I want from the next SL. If you'd asked me yesterday I'd have said maybe a few more pixels, an extra stop of dynamic range and IBIS. Yes, the S1R has those and a flip-out screen but at what cost in size and weight? A comparison of the SL, the S1R and the GFX 50S can be seen here. If the price of adding IBIS and a flip-out screen to the SL would be something of S1R proportions then no thanks. A sensor upgrade and maybe the S1R's EVF would be enough for me and any extra features that Leica might add to the SL2 that don't bloat its size and weight would be pure gravy. 😎 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frame-it Posted February 2, 2019 Share #19 Posted February 2, 2019 2 minutes ago, Bob Andersson said: The S1R has made me reconsider what I want from the next SL. If you'd asked me yesterday I'd have said maybe a few more pixels, an extra stop of dynamic range and IBIS. Yes, the S1R has those and a flip-out screen but at what cost in size and weight? A comparison of the SL, the S1R and the GFX 50S can be seen here. If the price of adding IBIS and a flip-out screen to the SL would be something of S1R proportions then no thanks. A sensor upgrade and maybe the S1R's EVF would be enough for me and any extra features that Leica might add to the SL2 that don't bloat its size and weight would be pure gravy. 😎 the GFX50r/SL/S1R comparison is perhaps better 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Q Posted February 2, 2019 Share #20 Posted February 2, 2019 It's now the size of a full-sized DSLR. And I have little doubt that Leica lenses will work better on Leica bodies. No thanks. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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