Mwei Posted January 29, 2019 Share #1 Posted January 29, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hi I try to jump in leica family, I'm interested the m10 or sl . Any pro can tell me if their differences on picture quality ! Is the rangefinder for sure better than the sl ? Also how does m lens works on the sl ? I appreciate your help! Thanks Mike Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jaapv Posted January 30, 2019 Share #2 Posted January 30, 2019 Welcome to the forum T.here is no significant difference in image quality between the bodies (or the Q and CL for that matter). as to the rest of your question, I would suggest reading the many threads in this forum that might help you decide. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted January 30, 2019 Share #3 Posted January 30, 2019 Welcome. M and SL are very different systems - manual focus rangefinder or autofocus EVF camera. If you want to use M lenses and prefer manual focus and an optical finder, buy the M. If you prefer autofocus and need longer telephoto capabilites, then buy the SL. Yes, you can use M lenses on the SL, just as you can use many other lenses on the M or SL with the right adaptors, but they are both systems designed around native lenses. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stefanusj Posted January 30, 2019 Share #4 Posted January 30, 2019 M10 definitely... because shooting is not only for the results, the experience and the romanticism of having an M is "really" worth the price. 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oudjunk Posted January 30, 2019 Share #5 Posted January 30, 2019 The m lenses work good for SL with adapter. Some M lenses work better than m because of ergonomic of lens's size and the evf of SL is fantastic that make you easier to focus. However, the size and design of m10 are beautiful. for me, I was a SL user who moved to use m10. In future i think i will buy SL again (maybe SL2) but this time i wanna practice with m10 first Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 30, 2019 Share #6 Posted January 30, 2019 6 hours ago, earleygallery said: Welcome. M and SL are very different systems - manual focus rangefinder or autofocus EVF camera. If you want to use M lenses and prefer manual focus and an optical finder, buy the M. If you prefer autofocus and need longer telephoto capabilites, then buy the SL. Yes, you can use M lenses on the SL, just as you can use many other lenses on the M or SL with the right adaptors, but they are both systems designed around native lenses. That is true, but with the addition that Leica is the only brand that designs their EVF cameras specifically for optimal use with M lenses.The SL sensor has microlenses that work optimally with both lens systems and the L-M adapter recognizes M lenses. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted January 30, 2019 Share #7 Posted January 30, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) Yes you can use M lenses on an SL, but it isn't a free lunch. Using focus-peaking each time you want to accurately focus your M lens on an SL you need to open the aperture up fully, focus on the subject, then stop down again, otherwise you are only focusing within the DOF zone which isn't accurate focusing. Imagine doing that for each and every photograph. I did, but I'm primarily a landscape photographer who stands around for hours with my camera on a tripod so no big deal. But it's a pain for anything else. So I went from the SL back to M10 because I preferred my M lenses anyway, the SL lenses were overkill for slow landscape work, and it killed my back carrying them. For the OP, buying an SL is like buying any other DSLR, but with it's own character, and I think you'd have to question the price of body and dedicated SL lenses if you aren't sure and need to ask your question about which to buy in the first place. An M10 is easier to get into Leica, you don't even need to use Leica's own M lenses, so the body could be a big investment and then one good lens would get you going. But rangefinder work isn't for everybody, some people don't have the patience to manual focus everything, and then some take to it like a duck to water. There is precious little difference in end quality between the two systems. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 30, 2019 Share #8 Posted January 30, 2019 I wouldn't like to call focus peaking the best way to obtain perfect focus. It is not very accurate on any camera. The best way to use it is not to look at the supposed plane of focus, but at the way the shimmering extends to the front and the back of your subject. Critical focus is someplace halfway in the middle. Magnification works better, and will need just one extra move on the SL. The M in Live View/EVF mode will do it automatically, which I dislike, as you lose your framing each time you turn the focus ring. Switching it off brings one back to the extra step. I prefer on-demand. Rangefinder focusing is the best option on the M. If one intends to use the M mainly using the EVF, the SL is the better option, even with M lenses. If the SL is too bulky/heavy, there is the CL, or, if one can live with the focal length limitation, the Q. The image quality will be similar out of each system. So it all boils down to intended use and personal preference. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil_P Posted January 30, 2019 Share #9 Posted January 30, 2019 (edited) I bought an SL for use with M lenses and straight away realised,that for me personally, I had made a costly mistake and have now bought an M10-P and the Sl is up for sale. The SL EVF is stunning but for my use it felt like driving around town in a hummer with 15 inch wheels on. For the rare requirement of autofocus and longer lenses will stick to my old X-Pro2 but otherwise enjoy the sublime tactile experience of the M10-P. So, not that many would be as foolish as me and get carried away after reading one online reviewer in particular and buy without trying it properly, try both at length in various shops or better still borrow/rent both for a few days and really make sure you are comfortable with the extra size of the SL and that the payoff in autofocus etc is what you need. Edited January 30, 2019 by Phil_P 2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trivette Posted January 30, 2019 Share #10 Posted January 30, 2019 M10 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted January 30, 2019 Share #11 Posted January 30, 2019 (edited) Demo them and see for yourself. As you’re in the US, there is also this rental option (3 days or more)... https://www.lensrentals.com/rent/cameras/photo/leica Very different systems, with very similar IQ. In fact, many systems from various brands can deliver high quality pics these days. The major distinctions (apart from sensor sizes) relate to ergonomics and handling, size and weight, menu and control interface, viewing and focusing preferences and lens availability (native and adapted). Only you can determine what best suits your needs and tastes. Jeff Edited January 30, 2019 by Jeff S 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mwei Posted December 21, 2019 Author Share #12 Posted December 21, 2019 On 1/30/2019 at 7:15 AM, Jeff S said: Demo them and see for yourself. As you’re in the US, there is also this rental option (3 days or more)... https://www.lensrentals.com/rent/cameras/photo/leica Very different systems, with very similar IQ. In fact, many systems from various brands can deliver high quality pics these days. The major distinctions (apart from sensor sizes) relate to ergonomics and handling, size and weight, menu and control interface, viewing and focusing preferences and lens availability (native and adapted). Only you can determine what best suits your needs and tastes. Jeff Im so sorry for the too late response because I was new and didn't check the box with" notify me of reply " so I missed all of the replies. Very appreciate all the replies from members! At the end I bought a m240 with a summicron 35 ,75 and noctilux 50/0.95. Since then because of my health issue I didn't have enough time to practice. But I can tell it is is a fantastic camera system even you need some time to learn it. In the feature I hope can come back sooner!! Again thank you all for the replies!! Mike 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhoebusXS Posted December 23, 2019 Share #13 Posted December 23, 2019 Go to a Leica store and try for yourself. Rangefinder is a complete different experience than any SLR/mirrorless. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mwei Posted December 23, 2019 Author Share #14 Posted December 23, 2019 I did and bought a m240 and couple of lenses. Yes, like you said it is a complete different system from the others and need some time to practice! But so far I feel ok , I think still need a AF camera for moving objects. Thank you for your suggestions! Mike Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Link Posted December 23, 2019 Share #15 Posted December 23, 2019 (edited) While I understand the genesis of these "buy an M10 or an SL or Q2 or SL2" questions, I think the OP needs to recognize that you can't pick a camera wisely until you know yourself and your needs. I might need a car but asking strangers whether I should buy an Italian sports car convertible with a manual transmission or a 4 wheel drive SUV with an automatic isn't going to get me very far. Are you planning to drive the car off road? Do you have to do long drives on the highway or lots of city driving? Is gas mileage an issue for you? If you need a car to transport 4 kids a dog and a 4x8 sheet of plywood for heavens sake don't buy a 2 seat Italian sports car. Seems to me it is the same thing with cameras. To me the SL is basically like buying a DSLR - lots of capabilities, big/heavy body, heavy and expensive autofocus lenses. This is the SUV in the example above. The SUV can do anything you might want it to do. Do you mind carrying a big bag? Are you trying to photograph moving objects? Do you absolutely have to hit focus in low light and at telephoto distances at speed? The M10 is a lot like that 2 seat sports car - you buy it more because of the user experience, joy of ownership and less about the practicality. It can do a lot but not everything the SUV can do. Does that matter to you? Are you using your camera for the enjoyment of the experience primarily? Mostly for travel or recreation? Can you accept some lost shots, a slower and more deliberate workflow for a bit of occasional "magic?" That's what the sports car gives you. If not, you might be better off getting that automatic transmission SUV... You can't really productively ask which Leica camera is better. Is the SUV a better vehicle than the sports car - perhaps objectively yes on practicality but not universally yes. You can ask which one is better for you but to know the answer you (and we) need to know you.... Edited December 23, 2019 by Richard Link 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mwei Posted December 23, 2019 Author Share #16 Posted December 23, 2019 Hi richard that was my fault not to mention my user experience. I do mostly travel, recreational with family, street shot and .... but barley for fast moving objects! That's why I bought the m240 at the end because I couldn't afford the m10. But I bought couple of good m lenses!! Again thank you for you recommendation! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mwei Posted December 28, 2019 Author Share #17 Posted December 28, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Artin said: You purchased an excellent camera the M240 is in my opinion the most versatile of the M system for travel and Leisure. Enjoy Thanks ! Since I sold my canon system but I still need a auto focus camera. Can you recommend which one is better for works with m lenses except the sl(over my budget)! Thanks Mike Edited December 28, 2019 by Mwei Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mwei Posted December 28, 2019 Author Share #18 Posted December 28, 2019 Since I sold my canon system but I still need a auto focus camera. Can you recommend which one is better for works with m lenses except the sl(over my budget)! Thanks Mike Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
setuporg Posted December 28, 2019 Share #19 Posted December 28, 2019 I’ve realized, starting with M, that you have to have all Leica systems for FF and above to appreciate the whole range of possibilities. Currently enjoy the M, Q2, SL2, and S. The SL2 takes both M and S lenses via almost perfect Leica adapters. I’d really start with an M as it it a real differentiator. The S tried to preserve the OVF in Medium Format and the SL seems to be a compromise with the times to stay competitive, which grew into a wonderful line of APO primes of its own... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mwei Posted December 28, 2019 Author Share #20 Posted December 28, 2019 2 hours ago, Artin said: At this point I actually would definitely recommend the SL. Considering they are selling at under 2500 dollars in the Us , in Canada you can get one for approx 2200 dollars us . I would say along with lenses from sigma and Panasonic it is the best body that would work flawlessly with your M lenses and still give you Autofocus options when you need it. My opinion best option for a second versatile platform for your M Glass Thank you Artin, I thought about the sl too but it is still a good camera? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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