JazzyMac Posted January 30, 2019 Share #61  Posted January 30, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) 3 minutes ago, ianman said: You just quoted James's comment!!! To be honest, I'm not quite sure what you were trying to say by posting them. What are we supposed to see? What are they comparing? I just went back to make sure I posted what cameras and lenses I used with those photos. Top one Canon, bottom Leica. There is clearly a difference and now I see who I’m dealing with in this thread. “You are supposed to see” two of the same images taken with different cameras. “They are comparing” two different cameras. As to the response of the demands in this thread and the words I wrote along with the images. Let me know if that information wasn’t enough and you need to know the breed of the dog or how much dust was filtering in the air...weather at the time, etc. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Chaemono Posted January 30, 2019 Share #62  Posted January 30, 2019 (edited) Sony sheep - sharp head against an almost equally blurred background. Sheep head pops. ARW file here: https://cc2032.zenfolio.com/img/g376441885-o750076470.dat?dl=2&tk=CW9an1Y_0p6UT5kdCWjH6eKTU_WuJimiUKpJaeG95YI= Sony FE 50/1.4 ZA @ f/1.4 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members!  Leica sheep - smooth, gradual roll-off with resolution of detail behind the focus point. Picture has depth. DNG file here: https://cc2032.zenfolio.com/img/g157427717-o750076470.dat?dl=2&tk=3Hk6jjtZn9Onshq9OYwoenqoc6A4-ySqMD0ztbB4bBQ= 50 Summilux-SL @ f/1.4 Edited January 30, 2019 by Chaemono 3 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members!  Leica sheep - smooth, gradual roll-off with resolution of detail behind the focus point. Picture has depth. DNG file here: https://cc2032.zenfolio.com/img/g157427717-o750076470.dat?dl=2&tk=3Hk6jjtZn9Onshq9OYwoenqoc6A4-ySqMD0ztbB4bBQ= 50 Summilux-SL @ f/1.4 ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/293758-the-leica-look-is-real/?do=findComment&comment=3674487'>More sharing options...
ianman Posted January 30, 2019 Share #63  Posted January 30, 2019 (edited) 25 minutes ago, JazzyMac said: I just went back to make sure I posted what cameras and lenses I used with those photos. Top one Canon, bottom Leica. There is clearly a difference and now I see who I’m dealing with in this thread. “You are supposed to see” two of the same images taken with different cameras. “They are comparing” two different cameras. As to the response of the demands in this thread and the words I wrote along with the images. Let me know if that information wasn’t enough and you need to know the breed of the dog or how much dust was filtering in the air...weather at the time, etc. Please keep you impertinence and sarcasm to yourself. I was not insulting to you, please have the courtesy to do the same. How are they "the same images" ?? The subject is the same but that shows us nothing. One is overexposed. As James wrote: Quote If the 'Leica look' is so obvious it should be simple to post some examples - same subject/lighting/time/exposure etc. and let us pick the obviously Leica shot. Nothing about your second photo is the obvious Leica shot. Anyway, I'm out. This discussion is once again futile and I have far better things to do with my time than to deal with insults. Edited January 30, 2019 by ianman 1 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
evikne Posted January 30, 2019 Share #64  Posted January 30, 2019 30 minutes ago, Dirk Mandeville said: But seriously, why are all of us spending so much money on Leica cameras and lenses if we don’t feel they give us a special look and feel to our photographs? I've spent a lot of money on old Mandler lenses because they give me a very special look that I love. But I won't say that this is the one and only "Leica look" (I also like very much the modern rendering of Karbe lenses). An M camera also give me a very unique user experience. Together this is a package that no other camera make can beat. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted January 30, 2019 Share #65  Posted January 30, 2019 1 hour ago, JazzyMac said: I posted photo comparisons and not one person has commented. Leads me to believe people are just complaining to complain. Oh well. We are blessed to afford thousands of dollars in equipment and yet still want something to gripe about. Not much anyone can do. You posted 2 different photos of the same subject with completely different lighting and composition. I asked for direct comparisons which are the only meaningful way to judge the claims. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted January 30, 2019 Share #66  Posted January 30, 2019 1 hour ago, JazzyMac said: I just went back to make sure I posted what cameras and lenses I used with those photos. Top one Canon, bottom Leica. There is clearly a difference and now I see who I’m dealing with in this thread. “You are supposed to see” two of the same images taken with different cameras. “They are comparing” two different cameras. As to the response of the demands in this thread and the words I wrote along with the images. Let me know if that information wasn’t enough and you need to know the breed of the dog or how much dust was filtering in the air...weather at the time, etc. Well of those 2 images the Canon shot is far better IMHO due to the lighting and composition. The Leica shot is flat and not well composed - IMHO Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted January 30, 2019 Share #67  Posted January 30, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) 34 minutes ago, evikne said: I've spent a lot of money on old Mandler lenses because they give me a very special look that I love. But I won't say that this is the one and only "Leica look" (I also like very much the modern rendering of Karbe lenses). An M camera also give me a very unique user experience. Together this is a package that no other camera make can beat. My Summicron 35 R is one of my favourites. It definitely has a signature, film or digital, likewise the Summar 5cm, on my lllf. Another lens I'm particularly impressed with is my Sigma 17-50 2.8 zoom. I'm keeping a crop DSLR as I don't want to let it go. Then there's the 75mm lens on my Bronica, beautiful images from that, although unused for some years now.  Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ko.Fe. Posted January 30, 2019 Share #68 Â Posted January 30, 2019 I skip RF lenses review on Sony or any other non RF, non Leica camera. I have tried to look several times, but didn't liked it. I prefer Leica look for RF lenses. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 30, 2019 Share #69  Posted January 30, 2019 Can’t we just say we like the way the images taken with our favourite camera look without placing ourselves on a pedestal? 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted January 30, 2019 Share #70  Posted January 30, 2019 I hope all pics (and prints) shot with Leica gear don’t have a similar look.  I think I’d pick a different hobby. Jeff 1 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted January 30, 2019 Share #71  Posted January 30, 2019 5 minutes ago, jaapv said: Can’t we just say we like the way the images taken with our favourite camera without placing ourselves on a pedestal? Ummm. Whilst I do think that is a good idea it's not what the thread is about is it? I like my Leica lenses and they produce excellent mages whether they are from the 1930s or current. But then again I like my other lenses too and they too produce excellent images. But Leica lenses are not responsible for a "Leica Look" which was the claim made. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 30, 2019 Share #72 Â Posted January 30, 2019 And can we keep it civil please? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 30, 2019 Share #73  Posted January 30, 2019 1 minute ago, pgk said: Ummm. Whilst I do think that is a good idea it's not what the thread is about is it? I like my Leica lenses and they produce excellent mages whether they are from the 1930s or current. But then again I like my other lenses too and they too produce excellent images. But Leica lenses are not responsible for a "Leica Look" which was the claim made. Maybe the problem is that the Leica Look does not exist. 3 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Vonn Posted January 30, 2019 Share #74  Posted January 30, 2019 2 hours ago, Dirk Mandeville said: But seriously, why are all of us spending so much money on Leica cameras and lenses if we don’t feel they give us a special look and feel to our photographs? True. FF CCD sensor in my case.  1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted January 30, 2019 Share #75 Â Posted January 30, 2019 29 minutes ago, jaapv said: Maybe the problem is that the Leica Look does not exist. Indeed. My impression of the 'look' is largely informed from early Leica photography where films were slow, grainy, always optically enlarged, and photos at wide apertures tended to emphasize what many later enthusiasts would call aberrations. That is a tightly constrained set of circumstances which, for me, obviates digital sensors in general. But that's from me, a user of a different generation. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JazzyMac Posted January 30, 2019 Share #76  Posted January 30, 2019 1 hour ago, earleygallery said: Well of those 2 images the Canon shot is far better IMHO due to the lighting and composition. The Leica shot is flat and not well composed - IMHO Not certain we spoke about which shot was better or worse.  I'm certain the comments were made in an effort to offend, but (not) sorry, you can't offend me on the internet.  In my opinion, both of those shots could have definitely used some work.  However, I (maybe ONLY I?)can tell the difference that they were taken with two different cameras, which again was the overall subject of the thread.  Technical tests exist in paid reviews and engineering studios, not when I'm taking a casual photo of following my dog around the house.  If anything, I would think the photos are more realistic since I didn't rush to put two cameras side by side.  DP Review and Youtube have PLENTY of reviews that you can compare photos.  I'm absolutely certain that none of you purchased Leica cameras ONLY due to the reason of their simplicity.  That may have been one of the reasons, but not the only one.  There is a look and I proved it, insults or not. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted January 30, 2019 Share #77  Posted January 30, 2019 6 minutes ago, JazzyMac said: There is a look and I proved it, insults or not. Sorry, but you proved nothing. Don't go away. Responses might inform you and the rest of us.  1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JazzyMac Posted January 30, 2019 Share #78 Â Posted January 30, 2019 20 minutes ago, pico said: Sorry, but you proved nothing. Don't go away. Responses might inform you and the rest of us. Â Agree to disagree. Â Whom I've proved it to doesn't matter. Â I know the difference, so it's proven to someone--at least one person. Â The photos were taken years ago, and commented on profusely, sooooo...shrug. Â I'm not going anywhere. Â A couple of attempts to offend is water off my back. Â Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted January 31, 2019 Share #79  Posted January 31, 2019 1 hour ago, JazzyMac said: Not certain we spoke about which shot was better or worse.  I'm certain the comments were made in an effort to offend, but (not) sorry, you can't offend me on the internet.  In my opinion, both of those shots could have definitely used some work.  However, I (maybe ONLY I?)can tell the difference that they were taken with two different cameras, which again was the overall subject of the thread.  Technical tests exist in paid reviews and engineering studios, not when I'm taking a casual photo of following my dog around the house.  If anything, I would think the photos are more realistic since I didn't rush to put two cameras side by side.  DP Review and Youtube have PLENTY of reviews that you can compare photos.  I'm absolutely certain that none of you purchased Leica cameras ONLY due to the reason of their simplicity.  That may have been one of the reasons, but not the only one.  There is a look and I proved it, insults or not. Good grief!! How can I offend by saying I prefer one of your photos over another?? Honestly mate, if you’re so precious about convincing yourself that you can see something special in the other photo please carry on and I’d ask you to ignore this thread as you will only be more offended. 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted January 31, 2019 Share #80 Â Posted January 31, 2019 38 minutes ago, JazzyMac said: A couple of attempts to offend is water off my back. Â It ain't rainwater. Â Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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