Jenningsmca Posted January 26, 2019 Share #1 Posted January 26, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) I have had the SL since inception, and have been relatively happy with results and I mostly use the M lenses on it due to size of the 24-90. My question is, when I use the SL now with a M lens, I have to zoom in to set the focus. If I were to trade for the M10P is the same functionality there to zoom or is there an easier way ? I am not getting any younger and already use glasses. I am going back to Nikon for long lenses > 50mm so for reference I will have the 50-M & 21-M Summilux lenses Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Leicaiste Posted January 26, 2019 Share #2 Posted January 26, 2019 (edited) The zooming will happen automatically on the M10-P as soon as you start moving the focusing ring. It is activated by the rangefinder cam. Edited January 26, 2019 by Leicaiste Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenningsmca Posted January 26, 2019 Author Share #3 Posted January 26, 2019 So this would be easier than I have it on the SL ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomB_tx Posted January 26, 2019 Share #4 Posted January 26, 2019 Of course, the zooming only works in Live View - best with the 020 Visoflex, but the camera is best using the optical finder and rangefinder, especially with wide to normal lenses. I sometimes use a Sony A7 with my older lenses, and have it set so a thumb press on a back button zooms for focus, and this has become automatic. Can't the SL be configured this way? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenningsmca Posted January 26, 2019 Author Share #5 Posted January 26, 2019 4 minutes ago, TomB_tx said: Of course, the zooming only works in Live View - best with the 020 Visoflex, but the camera is best using the optical finder and rangefinder, especially with wide to normal lenses. I sometimes use a Sony A7 with my older lenses, and have it set so a thumb press on a back button zooms for focus, and this has become automatic. Can't the SL be configured this way? Yes it zooms with a press for M lenses. I am thinking of trading the SL + 24-90 for the M10P. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big John Posted January 26, 2019 Share #6 Posted January 26, 2019 I also have SL and 24-90 but use Zeiss M mount lenses for a lighter, more compact package. I don’t find the pressing of the thumb joystick on the SL to be an issue when using M mount lenses but having tried the M10, it is indeed quite nice to just turn the focus tab and the mechanical connection tells the camera that focusing is underway and the rear screen automatically zoom. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mute-on Posted January 26, 2019 Share #7 Posted January 26, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) To be clear, the M10 does not have an electronic viewfinder (EVF). The SL does have an EVF. The M10 viewfinder does not zoom in to focus. It is optical only. You have to attach the Visoflex EVF to the M10 hot shoe to have an EVF that will zoom to focus. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted January 26, 2019 Share #8 Posted January 26, 2019 The external EVF on the M10 variants is quite inferior to the one built into the SL. And rangefinder focusing on an M isn’t everyone’s cup of tea. Try before you buy. Jeff Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madrigalmaster Posted January 27, 2019 Share #9 Posted January 27, 2019 I have exactly the same combination with a Leica Sl and M lenses with the little adapter. It is a pain to use and I am going to sell the camera body. It is far simpler with the M10 because magnification happes automatically as soon as you turn the focusing ring. I lost many images to poor focus last weekend at my granddaughter birthday because of this. Get rid of it Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 27, 2019 Share #10 Posted January 27, 2019 11 minutes ago, madrigalmaster said: I have exactly the same combination with a Leica Sl and M lenses with the little adapter. It is a pain to use and I am going to sell the camera body. It is far simpler with the M10 because magnification happes automatically as soon as you turn the focusing ring. I lost many images to poor focus last weekend at my granddaughter birthday because of this. Get rid of it I don't think you would have lost any images with an AF lens, If you find the SL AF setup too large, Leica obligingly provides the CL. The M10 is fantastic, but it is conceived as a rangefinder camera. The auxiliary EVF will always be inferior to the integrated EVF cameras and to the optical viewfinder. Instead of mis-buying, selling and rebuying, I would suggest that one first gets one's photographic priorities sorted. Then it is easy to decide which camera is the most suitable. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted January 27, 2019 Share #11 Posted January 27, 2019 7 hours ago, madrigalmaster said: I have exactly the same combination with a Leica Sl and M lenses with the little adapter. It is a pain to use and I am going to sell the camera body. It is far simpler with the M10 because magnification happes automatically as soon as you turn the focusing ring. I lost many images to poor focus last weekend at my granddaughter birthday because of this. Get rid of it For granddaughters' birthdays you do not need any of the perceived better image quality that an M10P might produce compared to a CL. If you're using both with the EVF (built-in in the CL, add-on in the M10P) you are far more likely to get fun photos of your granddaughter that are in focus, and unnoticeably different IQ. The circumstances of children's birthday parties are not conducive to exhibition quality IQ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted January 27, 2019 Share #12 Posted January 27, 2019 To the OP: it sounds like you find the SL too big and heavy, and are worried about manual focusing. Just bear in mind that while the SL is not primarily designed for manual focusing with M lenses, the M is not primarily designed for manual focusing of M lenses with an EVF either. Both work, but have compromises and the inevitable frustrations. In your shoes I think I'd be looking for a system that was designed to be used as you wish to use it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oudjunk Posted January 27, 2019 Share #13 Posted January 27, 2019 I was a SL user and moved to m10 this month and I used my m10 almost 1 month. When I used SL I always used m mount with adapter on SL and I got problem about my eyes but evf of SL is fantastic I did not wear my glasses when I used it (I adjusted the evf for fit to my eyes) and this time I use m10 I have to wear my glasses when I wanna shoot with rangefinder . If you use Liveview or evf(visoflex) is auto magnify that make me really hate it (someone like it not me) and the peeking focus is different to SL so this is why I always take pictures with rangefinder. By the way, I like the color tone of noctilux v4 on m10 more than SL Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted January 27, 2019 Share #14 Posted January 27, 2019 10 minutes ago, oudjunk said: By the way, I like the color tone of noctilux v4 on m10 more than SL That likely could have been addressed through use of a custom profile (e.g., Passport) and/or other PP default settings. Jeff Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenningsmca Posted January 27, 2019 Author Share #15 Posted January 27, 2019 (edited) 18 hours ago, jaapv said: I don't think you would have lost any images with an AF lens, If you find the SL AF setup too large, Leica obligingly provides the CL. The M10 is fantastic, but it is conceived as a rangefinder camera. The auxiliary EVF will always be inferior to the integrated EVF cameras and to the optical viewfinder. Instead of mis-buying, selling and rebuying, I would suggest that one first gets one's photographic priorities sorted. Then it is easy to decide which camera is the most suitable. I have decided to go back with Nikon for AF + flash work, ie long lens animal and air show photography and studio. As for the SL, I could go back to where I bought it and test try a M10P to see if I like the manual focusing of it. I finally got the manual focusing on the SL down pat using the back button. I just don't see a future with Leica using the large expensive AF. There is no way I am going to buy into a crop Leica CL for telephoto and AF. Edited January 27, 2019 by Jenningsmca Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenningsmca Posted January 27, 2019 Author Share #16 Posted January 27, 2019 (edited) 11 hours ago, LocalHero1953 said: To the OP: it sounds like you find the SL too big and heavy, and are worried about manual focusing. Just bear in mind that while the SL is not primarily designed for manual focusing with M lenses, the M is not primarily designed for manual focusing of M lenses with an EVF either. Both work, but have compromises and the inevitable frustrations. In your shoes I think I'd be looking for a system that was designed to be used as you wish to use it. I do find the SL big and heavy, but so are most DSLR's. When I was in Las Vegas last month, there is a Leica dealer in Caesars palace that let me play with a few SL lenses. OMG, they are so big, the 16-35 is almost as big as the 24-90 and 50SL. The 75 and 90 SL lenses are relatively big as well. I walked away with my SL and 35 M lens and was awe struck. I get that you cannot change the laws of physics, but these lenses are so large. Anyway, I have now got a plan in place to hopefully trade the SL and 24-90 in for the Leica M10P. Pickup a 21 Summilux before we go on a trip to Europe next year. Just carry the M10 and 50 + 21 lens. For this year I will see about procuring a used Nikon D850 to use with my existing Nikon lenses I kept squirrelled away. Edited January 27, 2019 by Jenningsmca Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDFlood Posted January 28, 2019 Share #17 Posted January 28, 2019 I use a Nikon D800 for many things and my M10 for the range of 28mm to 50mm and often my 90mm. My favorite travel kit is 28mm, 35mm, 90mm and maybe 50mm. I would recommend buying the M10 and 50mm first. Getting used to it. Using the EVF is not optimal, the rangefinder is really good. However, it does not go out to 21mm frame lines. The M10 changed the way I look at lenses. So, for me sticking in the 28mm - 90mm is key. Also, one of the great things is the size of the lenses. So, a wide angle of f 2.8 is incredibly small and light. I put the money and weight into the 50mm for paper thin DOF and saved on weight on the other lenses. The M10 is by far my favorite kit, but I use it very differently than my Nikon and Fuji. I got into the M10 slowly first with the classic 35mm f 2 Summichron and then very slowly added lenses as I found it's strengths and how I liked to use it. Good luck. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 28, 2019 Share #18 Posted January 28, 2019 13 hours ago, Jenningsmca said: I have decided to go back with Nikon for AF + flash work, ie long lens animal and air show photography and studio. As for the SL, I could go back to where I bought it and test try a M10P to see if I like the manual focusing of it. I finally got the manual focusing on the SL down pat using the back button. I just don't see a future with Leica using the large expensive AF. There is no way I am going to buy into a crop Leica CL for telephoto and AF. And what would the reasoning behind that? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdw Posted February 1, 2019 Share #19 Posted February 1, 2019 The (accessory) EVF on the M10 isn't as usable as the SL. Particularly the zoom-in feature is very slow; it doesn't refresh smoothly, more around 10 frames per second. I'd perhaps wait until the next generation of M to go that route. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bocaburger Posted February 6, 2019 Share #20 Posted February 6, 2019 I use a Canon Rebel (KISS outside the US) for things like kids parties. It's light, AF is lightning fast, and if I want to be in a pic I can hand the camera off to anyone without an instructional lecture and a prayer they don't drop it Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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