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1 hour ago, xiaubauu2009 said:

Are you sure they view themselves as GFX competitor. They think they segment the market based on price point. People willing to pay and wanting to pay for a Leica will never buy a Fujifilm, hence a different market all together.

I think that might have been true more with the M than with anything else. Fuji's impressive stats and synchronization with C1 put the S at quite the disadvantage at this point. The S was a game changer when it was introduced. But now. . . . 

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At the same time, Leica announced another limited edition M Lenny Kravitz 'Drift'  using a synthetic snakeskin that is designed to reflect Kravitz’s wardrobe. LOL A good way to embarrass themselves. 

Having said that, i'd love to see a S to GFX adapter happen somewhere in the future. 

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Yes, this was REALLY not a good PR day for Leica. Fuji releases a camera that really does cater to what a lot of pros want, meanwhile Leica releases one of their most ridiculous special editions ever. I have absolutely no problem with Lenny Kravitz at a person or a musician, and I think the photos that he has shown with Leica are fine. Not my taste, but certainly not a hack. But the camera....it is not to my taste at all. But so what...I am not sure there are 125 people who will buy it for 23,000 dollars. My criticism is more with the optics of it all...Fuji releases the pro camera that many have been looking for at a price pros can mostly afford, while Leica releases a dilletante edition cash grab camera, while their "pro" system has not had a lens, body or major accessory release in four years, and there is not a peep out of them as to when the S3 might be available or even for how much.

I am still interested in an S3, but boy, my patience is running thin.

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The GFX100 even seems to do 4K video very well, with few apparent artefacts and very effective IBIS. Leica could've been the first to make mini-medium-format video viable, alas.

https://www.cinema5d.com/fujifilm-gfx100-introduced-impression-sample-footage/

I will say I'm a bit disappointed by the bulk of the GFX100... The body is 1.4kg, actually heavier than the S. Hopefully there'll be a GFX100R.

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vor 31 Minuten schrieb Stuart Richardson:

Yes, this was REALLY not a good PR day for Leica. Fuji releases a camera that really does cater to what a lot of pros want, meanwhile Leica releases one of their most ridiculous special editions ever. I have absolutely no problem with Lenny Kravitz at a person or a musician, and I think the photos that he has shown with Leica are fine. Not my taste, but certainly not a hack. But the camera....it is not to my taste at all. But so what...I am not sure there are 125 people who will buy it for 23,000 dollars. My criticism is more with the optics of it all...Fuji releases the pro camera that many have been looking for at a price pros can mostly afford, while Leica releases a dilletante edition cash grab camera, while their "pro" system has not had a lens, body or major accessory release in four years, and there is not a peep out of them as to when the S3 might be available or even for how much.

I am still interested in an S3, but boy, my patience is running thin.

Last November I bought the S007 with a 70mm and a 120mm CS lens. I thought wow this is a nice camera. ergonomics, image quality etc. But there always this syndrome when another brand brings a new product on the market... this feeling of not being on state of the art... on the level of actual technology.... I know Megapixel are not that kind of quality criteria. I am really excited how Leica comes around the corner with this S3...

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44 minutes ago, Stuart Richardson said:

I am still interested in an S3, but boy, my patience is running thin.

Me too. I am also still interested in S3. The reason I buy into S hasn't changed that have ergonomics of FF camera with better build, lenses and better viewing experience with larger sensor.  

I personally think FUJI is doing a game changer now. It will destroy many level of competition and open up a brand new segment in industry. I am sure Camera has to be used to find all those nuance then simply spec sheet comparison. and this camera is ugly and big. No matter what, this new FUJI make everyone else (L, P, H) not looking good.  To me, 16 bits color depth with high DR back light sensor is more important than simple resolution bump.  

On the other hand, I scratch my head that the only upgrade Leica choose is to only bump resolution after almost 10 years without any other meaningful improvement? My biggest question mark is what target audience is this camera designed for:

For fashion and portrait photographers, you don’t need ultra-high resolution but fast process speed and decent speed and reliable AF and maybe IBIS. As far as I know, it still only has single AF point with huge coverage without even a new processor that can shoot more than 3fps. (FUJI can do 6fps at 16 bit 100M)

For landscape and fine art photographers, sure you need resolution, but you might be benefit from flip LCD for low angle tripod or handhold use, a better resolution LCD for focus and composition check, and absolutely no mandatory NR in field. Again, most likely nothing happened.

OK, even you think there is nothing meaningful changed other than resolution, you would expect they are much fast to get to the market. Time is money and timing is all in this super dynamic industry.  Think about it, what a big difference will be if S3 is available at last Christmas after announced than end of this year after this FUJI beast available at less than 10K?

I just don’t know what they are doing after all these years with this system.  What they are thinking? It seems just be either lazy or mis-managed.

Maybe Leica indeed is no longer a brand for serious photographers no matter they are pros or amateurs.  

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I am still on the 006 because the 007 did not offer enough at the time for it to be worth me upgrading. I have had the S006 since 2014 or so, and it is starting to get long in the tooth. It IS a great camera. But I would like more resolution, better ISO performance, live view, usable video, a better LCD screen etc etc. I know the 007 offers most of that, but it does so at the same resolution and the loss of the fine detail and color palette of the CCD. I am not willing to abandon the CCD until there is enough extra resolution to cover the loss of acuity from switching to CMOS, and I am hoping that the S3 has better color than the S007. I don't care about being state of the art for the sake of being state of the art, but there is now the technology to make the S lines much better cameras by now, and I find it personally frustrating that they are so slow....and by the time they get something out, it has already been leapfrogged by other companies at less than half the price...at least on the sensor end. The lenses and ergonomics are another matter, and the biggest reason I am still around.

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10 minutes ago, peterv said:

Wouldn't it be nice if Leica could be a sport and develop an adapter for S lenses on the Fuji and Hasselblad mirrorless cameras?

I imagine Leica is very reluctant to admit the possibility of being reduced to a lensmaker eventually.

And they don't want the legal headache of S lenses failing and revealing their AF limitations on other companies' bodies. S lenses don't autofocus even adapted to Panasonic L-mount bodies, right?

 

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13 minutes ago, alan.y said:

I imagine Leica is very reluctant to admit the possibility of being reduced to a lensmaker eventually.

And they don't want the legal headache of S lenses failing and revealing their AF limitations on other companies' bodies. S lenses don't autofocus even adapted to Panasonic L-mount bodies, right?

 

Which is fine as long as aperture can be controlled. 

Panasonic S just make my S glasses from obsolete, I hope FUJI or HSsy can do the same as L Mount through adapters. I still love S glasses. 

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 I think the issue with Leica and Leica users in general is that they think Lens is the single most important part of the equation. This concept is probably true coming from the traditional film era where all film is the same to some degree and what set you apart is the lens.

But in the digital age... I am sorry, S lens is good, but no longer unique... and a system is judge not just by the glass selection, but also by its sensor tech (with the exception of M). This is where S really really fall behind. S3 will really need more than just megapixel to have any relevance if they want new market to flow in. The price is probably predicted to be at least 50% more than GFX, and the sensor tech... oh well. who knows, they have been too quiet.

GFX lens was said to be 100mp ready on the day it was designed 3 years ago, and through using them, I can tell they are telling the truth. It cost 1/4 the price of a S lens yet performance is more or less the same... and it's on par with them with AF failure! Competition! hahaha my lens broke in 3 months, the AF module failed for no reason.

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23 minutes ago, xiaubauu2009 said:

 I think the issue with Leica and Leica users in general is that they think Lens is the single most important part of the equation. This concept is probably true coming from the traditional film era where all film is the same to some degree and what set you apart is the lens.

But in the digital age... I am sorry, S lens is good, but no longer unique... and a system is judge not just by the glass selection, but also by its sensor tech (with the exception of M). This is where S really really fall behind. S3 will really need more than just megapixel to have any relevance if they want new market to flow in. The price is probably predicted to be at least 50% more than GFX, and the sensor tech... oh well. who knows, they have been too quiet.

GFX lens was said to be 100mp ready on the day it was designed 3 years ago, and through using them, I can tell they are telling the truth. It cost 1/4 the price of a S lens yet performance is more or less the same... and it's on par with them with AF failure! Competition! hahaha my lens broke in 3 months, the AF module failed for no reason.

Is FUJI glass focus by wire or have real focus ring?

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