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a better comparison would be with the 50R, NO external EVF and NO IBIS

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What matters - I believe - is the overall balance of the system. A small and/or thin body with a large and/or front-heavy lens feels clumsy. A prime example from Leica-land is the CL+SL90-280mm... Actually, I prefer the size and grip of the the S-body - and the handhold balance of the S-body+S-lenses - over any of the other camera systems I have used. Clearly, the size of the S-grip may not be the best for smaller hands, but I get the feeling of holding a well-constructed instrument every time I pick up the S...

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1 hour ago, greybear said:

... right !

 

And imgagine. Only  6000.- €  for this  machine  !

I do not buy products from a company when I am not comfortable about their long-term sustainability. I am certain about Leica, but not Hasselblad today. I will let the next three years prove whether Hasselblad will make it. The price is probably  too low, but this may be due to pressure for fast results.

 I like to buy something and then stay with it for a long time. I went through this evaluation when I decided on the S in 2016. I had some problems and Leica has taken care of me. Consequently I have continued to add to my S system. 

If I were interested in evf, which I am not, Fujifilm is leading the market and is financially stable.

This sky-is-falling fear about Leica’s job losses (and additions) is a very small matter except for the individuals who are losing their jobs. Work rules in Germany make it a better place to lose a job than in other countries. 

It shows that Leica management is thinking ahead. Time will tell how well the company adapts to changing conditions.

 

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An advantage of old age is that the experienced have witnessed so-called obsolescence often enough to know it is transient bullshit.

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30 minutes ago, Jeff S said:

Forgetting about Leica as a whole, I’ll be surprised if there’s an S4, at least in its current design configuration.  The R comes to mind.  But Leica can often surprise.

Jeff

The S4 will be mirrorless and come in 3 years (+1 year delay)

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