hiepphotog Posted December 4, 2018 Share #1 Posted December 4, 2018 Advertisement (gone after registration) Just placed my order. I'm excited. I wonder if any of you here bought this lens. This is going to be part of my super small and light weight set-up. Even in this day and age, it's hard to find a fast 70ish that only weighs 200 grams and about half the size of the nearest equivalent lens. I was debating between this lens and the Macro Elmar, decided to go with this one for now. Borrowed this picture from a friend of mine. If you already have one, please share some shots. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/292018-ms-optics-sonnetar-73mm-15/?do=findComment&comment=3641680'>More sharing options...
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silverchrome Posted December 4, 2018 Share #2 Posted December 4, 2018 I was going to order one but when I read the reviews of owners who owned other MS-Optical lenses, i decided against it. The thing that put me off the most was reports of inconsistent performance. Also, I figured I could probably get the same look from a vintage Leica lens, which would not only have more consistent quality control but be cheaper as well. I'd be interested in hearing about your lens once you receive it, 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldwino Posted December 4, 2018 Share #3 Posted December 4, 2018 Of the 3 MS Optic lenses I have bought new, 2 had to go back for a repair immediately on receipt. On the last one (the 28mm f2), the RF cam just spun freely around the mount. I was told that Miyazaki didn't have time to fix the brand-new, but defective, lens, which left me with no choice but to ask for my money back. Miyazaki doesn't have his QC sorted. However, when the lenses are correctly assembled, they are pretty great. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NigelG Posted December 4, 2018 Share #4 Posted December 4, 2018 Crossing my fingers....have a silver one arriving soon and will see how it compares to my 75 lux. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sinjun Posted December 5, 2018 Share #5 Posted December 5, 2018 (edited) A few from today with M9 all wide open. I'm pleased with it. Incredibly small and light and image quality good. Bokeh can be a little busy (e.g. leaves and stalks) but generally pleasing. Sharpness fine for my purposes wide open - a little like 50mm ZM C Sonnar, with sharp definition to hairs etc. but a sort of light softness superimposed. Operation slightly awkward in that aperture ring rotates with focus and vice versa. Aperture ring on mine seems a little stiff (there are no click stops), so I need to hold focus with one finger whilst using the other to rotate aperture. A couple more to follow. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited December 5, 2018 by sinjun 4 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/292018-ms-optics-sonnetar-73mm-15/?do=findComment&comment=3642339'>More sharing options...
sinjun Posted December 5, 2018 Share #6 Posted December 5, 2018 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/292018-ms-optics-sonnetar-73mm-15/?do=findComment&comment=3642341'>More sharing options...
sinjun Posted December 5, 2018 Share #7 Posted December 5, 2018 Advertisement (gone after registration) Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 4 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/292018-ms-optics-sonnetar-73mm-15/?do=findComment&comment=3642343'>More sharing options...
silverchrome Posted December 5, 2018 Share #8 Posted December 5, 2018 18 hours ago, oldwino said: Of the 3 MS Optic lenses I have bought new, 2 had to go back for a repair immediately on receipt. On the last one (the 28mm f2), the RF cam just spun freely around the mount. I was told that Miyazaki didn't have time to fix the brand-new, but defective, lens, which left me with no choice but to ask for my money back. Miyazaki doesn't have his QC sorted. However, when the lenses are correctly assembled, they are pretty great. Precisely the reason I decided against buying one. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecar Posted December 5, 2018 Share #9 Posted December 5, 2018 I already have 6 of Miyazaki's "creations" - and the 73/1.5 is also on its way to me. Miyazaki's QC is indeed abysmal. And, unfortunately, it hasn't improved over time. Interestingly, some of his 'problem' lenses only need a couple of tiny extra screws on the internal part of the mount and some focus tweaking (he does it by eye...) to become fully reliable. I can only come to the conclusion that he's only interested in optical design, not in delivering actual working products... BUT, he makes unique lenses - if weirdly designed. FWIW, after a period of frustration/rejection, I have devised a few 'mitigating strategies' to keep using these lenses. These involve buying used (as long as the previous owner has already had the lens adjusted) or only from reliable dealers (ie, not on eBay), ensuring that they check the construction and proper focus of the lens before shipping and, as a last resort, sending it to a competent specialist for further adjustment. I appreciate that this should NOT happen, and that it is entirely unacceptable from a customer's viewpoint, but I live with the irrationality because I'm a fool who (a) values the artisan work of a bigger fool and (b) finds these lenses both challenging and fun to use. 7 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiepphotog Posted December 5, 2018 Author Share #10 Posted December 5, 2018 2 hours ago, Ecar said: I already have 6 of Miyazaki's "creations" - and the 73/1.5 is also on its way to me. Miyazaki's QC is indeed abysmal. And, unfortunately, it hasn't improved over time. Interestingly, some of his 'problem' lenses only need a couple of tiny extra screws on the internal part of the mount and some focus tweaking (he does it by eye...) to become fully reliable. I can only come to the conclusion that he's only interested in optical design, not in delivering actual working products... BUT, he makes unique lenses - if weirdly designed. FWIW, after a period of frustration/rejection, I have devised a few 'mitigating strategies' to keep using these lenses. These involve buying used (as long as the previous owner has already had the lens adjusted) or only from reliable dealers (ie, not on eBay), ensuring that they check the construction and proper focus of the lens before shipping and, as a last resort, sending it to a competent specialist for further adjustment. I appreciate that this should NOT happen, and that it is entirely unacceptable from a customer's viewpoint, but I live with the irrationality because I'm a fool who (a) values the artisan work of a bigger fool and (b) finds these lenses both challenging and fun to use. Great advice! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sinjun Posted December 5, 2018 Share #11 Posted December 5, 2018 I should temper my initial assessment with some concerns about rangefinder coupling. Clearly there are challenges in getting the target into such a narrow depth of field wide open. I initially tested at around MFD to 2 metres and found a little back focus which I was happy enough to compensate for manually. This afternoon I went out and shot rather more distant targets, and beyond 4-5 metres found a lot of the images were front focussed, i.e. point of focus lay in front of the target, which was often outside the depth of field. I know the coma adjustment will alter back and front focus, but I wouldn't have thought there should be such a large range dependence at any particular setting. When I get some time I'll try to investigate more. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted December 5, 2018 Share #12 Posted December 5, 2018 Does the 75mm have an adjustable rear element such as 50mm ƒ1.1 has? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted December 5, 2018 Share #13 Posted December 5, 2018 Just now, pico said: Does the 75mm have an adjustable rear element such as 50mm ƒ1.1 has? Pico, The rear element is not adjustable on the 50 f/1.1 The adjustments are in the mount flange like Leica uses shims for. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted December 5, 2018 Share #14 Posted December 5, 2018 (edited) 34 minutes ago, jdlaing said: Pico, The rear element is not adjustable on the 50 f/1.1 The adjustments are in the mount flange like Leica uses shims for. It looks to me that the rear element is shifted using the rear adjustment ring. It is supposed to moderate coma, which makes sense with a Sonnetar type. Perhaps we have another beer bet. Edited December 5, 2018 by pico Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sinjun Posted December 5, 2018 Share #15 Posted December 5, 2018 Yes, that was my understanding - that the rear element is shifted by the coma adjustment ring. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted December 6, 2018 Share #16 Posted December 6, 2018 When you loosen the two screws that are sitting in detents on a toothed ring it adjusts the stop on the focus ring. The rear element does not move. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted December 6, 2018 Share #17 Posted December 6, 2018 1 hour ago, jdlaing said: When you loosen the two screws that are sitting in detents on a toothed ring it adjusts the stop on the focus ring. The rear element does not move. There are no screws on the 50mm ƒ1.1 rear. There is a ring to turn by fingers. It includes three orienting marks for near to far. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted December 6, 2018 Share #18 Posted December 6, 2018 Sorry guys. We’re talking two different lenses. My mistake. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jul Posted December 8, 2018 Share #19 Posted December 8, 2018 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/292018-ms-optics-sonnetar-73mm-15/?do=findComment&comment=3644026'>More sharing options...
Jul Posted December 8, 2018 Share #20 Posted December 8, 2018 This guy is not used to wear a tie, I had time to walk to him, stop, focus, shoot, go and he was still struggling to get it right. I am not bashing him, I am pretty sure I would not have done any better. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/292018-ms-optics-sonnetar-73mm-15/?do=findComment&comment=3644027'>More sharing options...
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